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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Inaccurate. Did you see how many times I used the word elite before I said SEC teams and then said "in a championship game"- translation- I am not talking about Ohio State going to Ole Miss and getting whacked just because Ole Miss is located in the state of Mississippi.

    Proximity is relevant in college football recruiting. That's a fact. If you are located in a good state for talent, chances are you are going to be pretty good. Case-in-point is your Buckeyes. LSU is good because Louisiana has a ton of good football players. Recruiting in this sport is more national in nature than it once was, but geography still matters.

    USC being located in California certainly helps with the top kids from that state, don't you think?

    There's nothing false about location being important with regards to roster building in college football.

    Who in the SEC would you consider "elite".

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    You're foolish if you don't think Saban is a huge reason why he stepped down at UF. Ohio didn't loan us anything either. Last time I checked, he's from WV, but nice try.

    Keep throwing ish and eventually you will get one right.

    Urban was born in Toledo, OH, raised in Ashtabula, OH, got his undergrad from Cincy, then got his masters and was a grad assistant at Ohio State under Earle Bruce.

    Shaun

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    You're foolish if you don't think Saban is a huge reason why he stepped down at UF. Ohio didn't loan us anything either. Last time I checked, he's from WV, but nice try.

    Keep throwing ish and eventually you will get one right.

    Where in my post did I mention Saban....lol moron. Saban is the best coach in the nation no one disputes that. It pretty stupid to actually think Urban left UF because he was afraid of Saban. You think he is just coaching as a hobby? You think Urban isn't building a monster program at OSU? You really think he doesnt know that if he wants to compete for titles he won't have to go through Saban again? All this trash about Urban being afraid of Saban is just that, trash.

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  • Saying "oversigning aside" is like saying "I know the AFC East has won the Super Bowl 7 consecutive years, but let's not talk about how the NFL gives the AFC East teams 11 draft picks a year instead of 7 like they give everyone else."

    Urban Meyer's Florida teams were the only SEC teams that won without the advantage of oversigning. There's a reason why Georgia and Florida are a lot like USC, Ohio State, Oregon, and Texas - very good most years, dominant occasionally, and sometimes rebuilding - while SEC west teams are not. The SEC East has all the same advantages the SEC west has - southern recruiting, big budgets for coaching staffs, huge fan bases, etc. - but is missing the biggest one, oversigning.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Inaccurate. Did you see how many times I used the word elite before I said SEC teams and then said "in a championship game"- translation- I am not talking about Ohio State going to Ole Miss and getting whacked just because Ole Miss is located in the state of Mississippi.

    Proximity is relevant in college football recruiting. That's a fact. If you are located in a good state for talent, chances are you are going to be pretty good. Case-in-point is your Buckeyes. LSU is good because Louisiana has a ton of good football players. Recruiting in this sport is more national in nature than it once was, but geography still matters.

    USC being located in California certainly helps with the top kids from that state, don't you think?

    There's nothing false about location being important with regards to roster building in college football.

    So USC is the only school in the PAC that benefits from CA talent?

    Proximity does matter. The difference is that recruiting services consistently underrate CA and Ohio talent and overrate LA or Miss talent *based on proximity*. Proximity to the state of FLA and proximity to... Alabama's campus?

    This is proven over, and over, and over again, year in year out by how many more CA and Ohio players make it to the NFL.

    brem22

  • Hawgfan said...

    7 in a row dumb ass. Who cares who or how they did it.

    How many has Arkansas contributed? Oh yeah, 0. And their last BCS bowl was a loss to Ohio State, making them like 0-5 against the Big Ten in bowls. Maybe instead of calling people dumbasses, you should just sit there and let the big boys do the talking.

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  • drmiller166 said...

    Saying "oversigning aside" is like saying "I know the AFC East has won the Super Bowl 7 consecutive years, but let's not talk about how the NFL gives the AFC East teams 11 draft picks a year instead of 7 like they give everyone else."

    Urban Meyer's Florida teams were the only SEC teams that won without the advantage of oversigning. There's a reason why Georgia and Florida are a lot like USC, Ohio State, Oregon, and Texas - very good most years, dominant occasionally, and sometimes rebuilding - while SEC west teams are not. The SEC East has all the same advantages the SEC west has - southern recruiting, big budgets for coaching staffs, huge fan bases, etc. - but is missing the biggest one, oversigning.

    You obviously didn't do any research before you posted.

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  • Hawgfan said...

    7 in a row dumb ass. Who cares who or how they did it.

    Yes just cuz bama won it don't mean the whole conference won as well lol.. bama is a great team with a great coach but thats it, it has nothing to do with any one else in that conference. at the end of the day that crystal ball is going in the bama trophy room not to every SEC team.nono

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  • LegendaryuSo147699 said...

    Yes just cuz bama won it don't mean the whole conference won as well lol.. bama is a great team with a great coach but thats it, it has nothing to do with any one else in that conference. at the end of the day that crystal ball is going in the bama trophy room not to every SEC team.nono

    The SEC West is where the championships are coming from. The conference as a whole is overrated, but still the best overall conference. Just not as dominate as people make it out to be. Just like the chest bumpers of other SEC teams today thinking they won a championship when it is Alabama that did it...lol.

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  • ok, I give up.. we should just stop playing college football and whoever the highest rated SEC team is in the preseason poll will automatically become BCS champs.. hows that surrender
    sarcasm

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  • I can't wait til the NCAA implements the basketball rule... LMAO!! SEC teams will be all but eliminated from playing in it.

    CoachGomez214

  • Which basketball rule is that?

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Which basketball rule is that?

    It helps Alabama that they over sign...lol. Stopping the SEC from over singing will bring them back to the same level as the rest of the conferences. The NCAA needs to make the recruiting rules uniform around the country.

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  • devidee said...

    Great point.

    Coaches matter.

    The SEC's current run is less about where defensive linemen grow on trees and much more about coaches.

    And the practice of culling rosters. (But we're supposed to put that aside)

    Funny that most college coaches would strongly disagree with your opinion on defensive linemen in that league, but it's your opinion.

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  • drmiller166 said...

    Saying "oversigning aside" is like saying "I know the AFC East has won the Super Bowl 7 consecutive years, but let's not talk about how the NFL gives the AFC East teams 11 draft picks a year instead of 7 like they give everyone else."

    Urban Meyer's Florida teams were the only SEC teams that won without the advantage of oversigning. There's a reason why Georgia and Florida are a lot like USC, Ohio State, Oregon, and Texas - very good most years, dominant occasionally, and sometimes rebuilding - while SEC west teams are not. The SEC East has all the same advantages the SEC west has - southern recruiting, big budgets for coaching staffs, huge fan bases, etc. - but is missing the biggest one, oversigning.

    Until someone can individually account for the oversigning numbers, it's a non-issue. I never, ever see anything other than math and then a handful of cases to account for huge numbers gaps with no mention of sign and place junior college prospects, prep school prospects, pre-arranged greyshirts or players going pro. Also I see the medical hardship rule cast in a negative light, something that every school in the country has at its disposal and that is in place to protect the student athlete (he keeps his scholarship).

    Even if you could prove that more than half of the oversigned are "cut" to make room for upgrades, then I would agree with you. Until then, it's just a popular buzz term for people who hate the SEC and don't understand recruiting beyond the surface.

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  • mfldbadgers said...

    It helps Alabama that they over sign...lol. Stopping the SEC from over singing will bring them back to the same level as the rest of the conferences. The NCAA needs to make the recruiting rules uniform around the country.

    The SEC limits the number you can sign to 25.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Which basketball rule is that?

    Ask Uconn...

    CoachGomez214

  • brem22 said...

    So USC is the only school in the PAC that benefits from CA talent?

    Proximity does matter. The difference is that recruiting services consistently underrate CA and Ohio talent and overrate LA or Miss talent *based on proximity*. Proximity to the state of FLA and proximity to... Alabama's campus?

    This is proven over, and over, and over again, year in year out by how many more CA and Ohio players make it to the NFL.

    So basically, we are the reason there are good football players in the SEC. It is all manufactured by us, right? Brilliant. In glad we have that sort of power.

    -Our state representation is pretty much in line with the NFL roster numbers.

    -Which players from Mississippi and Louisiana do we have over ranked?

    -And the Alabama campus proximity point you attempted to make is baffling. I don't really even understand what you are trying to say.

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    Ask Uconn...

    Fail! The 930 APR ban will not affect any SEC Schools. For 2012, both Alabama and ND have a 970 APR.

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    Ask Uconn...

    It's based on percentages and with 100-plus on a football team, a program is unlikely to face penalties as long as they don't suffer heavy academic losses- I mean like unprecedented.

    Also, nice stereotype of players from the south. Ignorant cultural bias.

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  • Buckeyechef12 said...

    ok, I give up.. we should just stop playing college football and whoever the highest rated SEC team is in the preseason poll will automatically become BCS champs.. hows that surrender
    sarcasm

    Ohio State can snap the streak next year IMO.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    It's based on percentages and with 100-plus on a football team, a program is unlikely to face penalties as long as they don't suffer heavy academic losses- I mean like unprecedented.

    Also, nice stereotype of players from the south. Ignorant cultural bias.

    You're kidding me right? I heard the interviews with players from SEC schools and I know squirrels that have higher IQs.

    Ignorance is bliss when you're living through rose colored glasses marred by athletic performances.

    Did you hear Lacy after the game??? roflmao He couldn't pass remedial math.

    CoachGomez214

  • devidee said...

    Who in the SEC would you consider "elite".

    The seven teams that have won championships the past seven years.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    It's based on percentages and with 100-plus on a football team, a program is unlikely to face penalties as long as they don't suffer heavy academic losses- I mean like unprecedented.

    Also, nice stereotype of players from the south. Ignorant cultural bias.

    I also used Uconn in the reference, so let me help you out where Storrs, Connecticut is geographically. It's a little north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    CoachGomez214

  • brem22 said...

    I just don't follow how any self-respecting Bama fan would go along with this pandering SEC narrative...

    It's Bama and the 13 dwarfs. No team in CFB comes close. Bama vs GA last night would have been the same smoke show. Bama vs aTm 2? Same. Fool Saban once and savor the experience... Because it ain't happening again.

    What OOC team could possibly compete with Mizzou, Arky, Kentucky, Ole Piss, MSU, Aubie, or Vandy?

    ATM/FLA/COCKS... Good teams, but come on. They are nowhere near Bammy level. And they are not a 'cut above' any other major's top teams. Not on the field and not on paper.

    Multiple top OOC teams have the talent to beat any team in the SEC not named Alabama. And that includes ND.

    You think Notre Dame beats Texas A&M, Georgia or Florida?

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