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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    You're kidding me right? I heard the interviews with players from SEC schools and I know squirrels that have higher IQs.

    Ignorance is bliss when you're living through rose colored glasses marred by athletic performances.

    Did you hear Lacy after the game??? He couldn't pass remedial math.

    Apparently, you didn't watch the ND postgame presser.

    I will say they were smart enough to communicate on how to kick ND's arse up and down the field.
    SEC has better graduation rates than most other conferences.

    Notre Dame, SEC also win in classroom

    The SEC's football dominance might extend to the classroom, too, at least as measured by the latest Graduation Success Rate figures released today by the NCAA. Of teams currently ranked in the USA TODAY

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  • Yea, sign 30 extra kids every 4 years, but those are just numbers, and we are of the group that don't understand recruiting[turnsblindeye]

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Apparently, you didn't watch the ND postgame presser.

    I will say they were smart enough to communicate on how to kick ND's arse up and down the field. SEC has better graduation rates than most other conferences.

    You're joking, yes? Proctors write their essays, grad assistants turn heads turning test days, other students do their homework and let them cheat off them during exams, etc etc etc...

    I don't need a false report (if you believe this, you're living in La La Land) to persuade my judgment on a kid's ability to pass a remedial math class or a basic english class.

    I was involved in sports for a LONG time. I can tell you things that would BLOW YOUR MIND OUT OF THE WATER when it comes to eligibility, attendance of classes, etc etc etc...

    CoachGomez214

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    The seven teams that have won championships the past seven years.

    So that's four SEC programs.

    And you're telling me that Auburn is an elite program?

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    Yea, sign 30 extra kids every 4 years, but those are just numbers, and we are of the group that don't understand recruiting[turnsblindeye]

    Where is this 30 everyone keeps talking about? It's a nice number, but wrong.

    From 09-12 (4 recruiting cycles): OSU signed 92; Bama signed 101. Only nine more recruits over a four year span. That's only two more recruits per year....yea that's alot of "oversigning".

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    You're joking, yes? Proctors write their essays, grad assistants turn heads turning test days, other students do their homework and let them cheat off them during exams, etc etc etc...

    I don't need a false report (if you believe this, you're living in La La Land) to persuade my judgment on a kid's ability to pass a remedial math class or a basic english class.

    I was involved in sports for a LONG time. I can tell you things that would BLOW YOUR MIND OUT OF THE WATER when it comes to eligibility, attendance of classes, etc etc etc...

    Provide facts. Which Alabama players have committed academic fraud? Will await your response.

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  • But wait....WHAT??? Michigans Awesome coach, Awesome Staff, and Awesome recruiting classes didn't get 1st....... mentioned..... but THEY HAVE A BBQ AND THE BEST DEFENSIVE COACH IN THE NCAA ARE NONE OF YOU LISTENING?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Until someone can individually account for the oversigning numbers, it's a non-issue. I never, ever see anything other than math and then a handful of cases to account for huge numbers gaps with no mention of sign and place junior college prospects, prep school prospects, pre-arranged greyshirts or players going pro. Also I see the medical hardship rule cast in a negative light, something that every school in the country has at its disposal and that is in place to protect the student athlete (he keeps his scholarship).

    Even if you could prove that more than half of the oversigned are "cut" to make room for upgrades, then I would agree with you. Until then, it's just a popular buzz term for people who hate the SEC and don't understand recruiting beyond the surface.

    LULZ

    So there's no argument except for that darn math. At least you admit oversigning is real. Although, math is pretty hard to deny.

    Lets say for sake of argument that oversigning is in no way harmful, that its in fact beneficial to student athletes (that's absurd by the way).

    Do you deny that programs who engage in the practice of oversigning gain an advantage from it?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You think Notre Dame beats Texas A&M, Georgia or Florida?

    You think Saban, given over a month to prepare, with Bama's roster doesn't blow out A&M, Georgia or Florida?

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Provide facts. Which Alabama players have committed academic fraud? Will await your response.

    Ummmm, that would be more than you or I can count. But I'm not talking about Bama only...where did I say that? It's rampant throughout the country, but more so at schools that will turn a blind eye so to speak because of their business they run. Hell, Lacy said last night, "Alabama is a great organization." HUH??? LMAO!! C'mon Eddie, you can do better than that, kiddo!

    Don't know if you're a bama fan, but congrats for last night if you are....

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  • devidee said...

    You think Saban, given over a month to prepare, with Bama's roster doesn't blow out A&M, Georgia or Florida?

    No. I think those teams stack up well to Bama.

    CoachGomez214

  • devidee said...

    the term oversigning (absurd by the way).

    cool

    25/85, learn it, love it, live it.

    Crimson_Ghost

  • devidee said...

    You think Saban, given over a month to prepare, with Bama's roster doesn't blow out A&M, Georgia or Florida?

    Probably so. But that's not the debate. Saban and Alabama are in a class of their own. The argument is that the other "elite teams" in the SEC (A&M, Georgia, Florida) would also beat ND with a month to prepare. I also think they'd beat OSU and Oregon with a month to prepare (although I'd have less confidence in Florida. You could even make a decent argument for LSU and USCe.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 1/8/2013 at 6:54 PM

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    Ummmm, that would be more than you or I can count. But I'm not talking about Bama only...where did I say that? It's rampant throughout the country, but more so at schools that will turn a blind eye so to speak because of their business they run. Hell, Lacy said last night, "Alabama is a great organization." HUH??? LMAO!! C'mon Eddie, you can do better than that, kiddo!

    Don't know if you're a bama fan, but congrats for last night if you are....

    Trust me when I say Saban doesn't turn a blind eye when it comes to academics and class attendance. Had a few guys suspended this season because they missed a single class. Saban tells his players "if I can't trust you to do the right thing in the classroom and off the field, how can I trust you to do the right thing on the field".

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I also used Uconn in the reference, so let me help you out where Storrs, Connecticut is geographically. It's a little north of the Mason-Dixon line.

    Sure but you insinuated players in the SEC somehow couldn't cut it academically, this the stereotype.

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Probably so. But that's not the debate. Saban and Alabama are in a class of their own. The argument is that the other "elite teams" in the SEC (A&M, Georgia, Florida) would also beat ND with a month to prepare. I also think they'd beat OSU and Oregon with a month to prepare (although I'd have less confidence in Florida. You could even make a decent argument for LSU and USCe.

    I disagree.

    Florida flat out got rocked by Louisville. LSU lost to Clemson. UGA hasn't won a big game in what, 30 years.

    A&M was a two loss team with those losses to clearly overrated teams.

    South Carolina squeaked past a 4 loss B1G team.

    This post was edited by devidee on 1/8/2013 at 6:59 PM

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  • Sec titles theory
    Saban 3
    Meyer 2
    Les Miles1 playing a bad Ohio State team who made it by default
    Chizik 1 Auburn with a pay for play player.

    Auburn, Alabama, and LSU sign very large classes and grey shirt to get depth. Urban Meyer condemed such practices.

    fightfan

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    You're kidding me right? I heard the interviews with players from SEC schools and I know squirrels that have higher IQs.

    Ignorance is bliss when you're living through rose colored glasses marred by athletic performances.

    Did you hear Lacy after the game??? roflmao He couldn't pass remedial math.

    So you are judging a person's intelligence based on postgame interviews. If you do coach, I feel sorry for your players.

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  • Out of all. Ohio State looks beastly coming up and really nasty in 2014.

    fightfan

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Ohio State can snap the streak next year IMO.

    wow... are you sure about that??!! lol.. I don't even know if I truly believe that lol... IMO 2 years.. Brax and WR's will be Seniors and Urbs youth will have had a few more years to blossom into an elite style defense. But I guess I would take next year if it happened lol I just want college football to level out a bit... Its better for the sport as a whole.. and even though the SEC has been on cruise control for a while.. I look forward to the day when analysts from every major outlet will not have a biased towards the SEC.. I feel like college hoops is much more balanced overall nationally than football.. but I guess hoops might have a more level playing field.

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  • devidee said...

    I disagree.

    Florida flat out got rocked by Louisville. LSU lost to Clemson. UGA hasn't won a big game in what, 30 years.

    A&M was a two loss team with those losses to clearly overrated teams.

    South Carolina squeaked past a 4 loss B1G team.

    Nothing I say will convince you, but I definitely think Florida had the Alabama vs Utah syndrome of not getting up for the game. A&M's losses were earlier in the year to teams that I believe they'd have beaten later on. They improved exponentially with time. I listed LSU in the iffy category. UGA's win over Florida and close loss to Alabama carry alot of weight for me. Again, I know you won't be convinced, but I think many people would see it the same way I do.

    FortWorthTide

  • fightfan said...

    Sec titles theory Saban 3 Meyer 2 Les Miles1 playing a bad Ohio State team who made it by default Chizik 1 Auburn with a pay for play player.

    Auburn, Alabama, and LSU sign very large classes and grey shirt to get depth. Urban Meyer condemed such practices.

    Saban offered two kids a grayshirt and they declined. Nothing illegal about it. Also worth noting that Urban oversigned during his tenure at UF, so I wouldn't throw stones.

    This post was edited by Macdaddy7930 on 1/8/2013 at 7:10 PM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Until someone can individually account for the oversigning numbers, it's a non-issue. I never, ever see anything other than math and then a handful of cases to account for huge numbers gaps with no mention of sign and place junior college prospects, prep school prospects, pre-arranged greyshirts or players going pro. Also I see the medical hardship rule cast in a negative light, something that every school in the country has at its disposal and that is in place to protect the student athlete (he keeps his scholarship).

    Even if you could prove that more than half of the oversigned are "cut" to make room for upgrades, then I would agree with you. Until then, it's just a popular buzz term for people who hate the SEC and don't understand recruiting beyond the surface.

    Wow you are the biggest homer of them all jc... By the way were are from????.....

    bucky34

  • devidee said...

    LULZ

    So there's no argument except for that darn math. At least you admit oversigning is real. Although, math is pretty hard to deny.

    Lets say for sake of argument that oversigning is in no way harmful, that its in fact beneficial to student athletes (that's absurd by the way).

    Do you deny that programs who engage in the practice of oversigning gain an advantage from it?

    It is certainly to your advantage to sign and place players at prep schools or JUCOS, but that's not unique to the SEC is it?

    If you work the numbers and take into account guys leaving for the pros, transfers, guys flunking out, guys that go on medical, plus prep and JUCO placements and low numbers from a previous class (UGA was 10-15 under the 85 this year and still went 12-2) and you still can prove the majority or even half of those "numbers" are kids straight up being cut by Saban, Miles or anybody else in the SEC for no reason, I am with you.

    But most of the oversigning folks just count signing lists and then assume. Sorry, that's not a very sound argument to me.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Until someone can individually account for the oversigning numbers, it's a non-issue. I never, ever see anything other than math and then a handful of cases to account for huge numbers gaps with no mention of sign and place junior college prospects, prep school prospects, pre-arranged greyshirts or players going pro. Also I see the medical hardship rule cast in a negative light, something that every school in the country has at its disposal and that is in place to protect the student athlete (he keeps his scholarship).

    Even if you could prove that more than half of the oversigned are "cut" to make room for upgrades, then I would agree with you. Until then, it's just a popular buzz term for people who hate the SEC and don't understand recruiting beyond the surface.

    whoa, king of rock. you are out of your depth. bama, lsu etc sign 120 kids every 4 years. Call it what you want, but dont tell me that is not an advantage.

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