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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • LegalAlien said...

    SCHOOL SPES DEPARTURES BUDGET Ole Miss 85 15 15 27 +12 Link 1 2 Alabama 84 12 (8sr+3jr+1ts) 13 22 +11 LSU 85 12 (11sr+1jr) 12 22 +10 Arkansas 85 20 (19sr+1jr) 20 30 +10 South Car77 18 26 32 +6 Clemson 83 20 (18sr+2jr) 22 29 +7

    Top six offenders according to oversigning.com

    bama signed 105 in their last four classes

    Sorry, I stand corrected. Bama has signed 103 the last four classes.

    From 2009-'12 recruiting classes, Bama has signed 103.

    2009: (Signed 28) Transfers (6) - Bowman, Marrow, Moore, Sentimore (suspended then transferred), P. Smith, Woodson NFL (3) - Carpenter, Dre K, T. Rich Medical (2) - K. Kelly, McKeller

    2010: (Signed 26) Failed to Qual (3) - Belue, Dial, A. Hill Transfers (4) - Carswell (suspended then transferred), C. Grant, Malone(suspended then transferred), P, Sims Grad/Other (2) - B. Lewis, J. Williams (baseball) NFL (1) - Menzie

    2011: (Signed 23) D. Carter (kicked off/transferred), Douglas (RIP)

    2012: (Signed 26) Dixon (transferred), B. Hill (JUCO)

    Out of the 103 signed, 25 are no longer on the team bringing the total to 78.

    Edit: We have seven guys that are fifth year SR's from the '08 class, bringing our total to 85.

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  • fightfan said...

    SEC oversigns and false promises kids all the time. Its how they roll. That and never traveling, not even for bowls. Look at LSU, Both titles in New Orleans.

    LULZ, love the excuses. Bama won in Pasadena....NEXT EXCUSE.

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  • brem22 said...

    He already answered this.

    "it's just a popular buzz term for people who hate the SEC and don't understand recruiting beyond the surface."

    You don't know what goes on behind the scenes dude.

    That isn't an answer. That's fluff.

    Why did Bama literally have twelve times more medical hardships than any other school in the SEC during Saban's first 3 years or so?

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  • Tshaw7 said...

    How many are in A&M's class this year?

    Texas A&M has 8 commitments more than they are able to have when they need a roster at 85. They have some players counting back to the 2012 class, obviously players singing for the 2013 class, and are expecting 5 commited players not to qualify academically, and that still puts them at 3 over.

    WELCOME FORCED ATTRITION SEC STYLE!

    Funny how they will send those "extra" recruits to JUCO and then bring them back in if they show they can play.

    This post was edited by justwinnebraska on 1/8/2013 at 8:03 PM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    If you want to make the argument that signing and placing at a JUCO or prep fosters some sort of loyalty to the four-year program and thus shuts schools from other conferences out from recruiting said athlete, you could make the argument a valid one.

    How many prep placements/JUCO placements are difference-makers in the SEC? Not the lion's share.

    In 2011 Bama had 11 kids leave their program in the offseason. Stats don't lie.

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  • brem22 said...

    It's a good question. And I don't know. ND has more talent than A&M. But A&M has Johnny Foosball. ND is in the same yard with GA and FLA talent-wise, but I could see ND losing to both easily. Their offense blows. But the games would be competitive. Nothing near the gong-banging we watched last night.

    My point was that no one is in the same yard as Bama. Given over a month to prepare, Bama would hammer A&M, GA and FLA too. The later are good to great teams, just like Stanford, Oregon or tOSU etc. But Bama right now is just a machine.

    Talking talent... Michigan, Texas, Chokelehomo, UCLA even... Do these teams not have equatable talent to A&M, GA and FLA? Not equal "teams" but straight up "talent"? If not, then you are essentially saying the star system and recruiting rankings only count for SEC teams.

    Well you'd have to look at their rosters and compare. There are busts in the sport of football at all levels because so much of a player's success is determined in the chest and between the ears and that's nearly impossible to predict. That's why first round picks flame out, five stars flame out, etc.

    But if you are just going off of raw potential, I'm sure you could break down the rosters of those programs you mentioned and get them in the same ballpark depending on the roster makeup.

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  • devidee said...

    That isn't an answer. That's fluff.

    Why did Bama literally have twelve times more medical hardships than any other school in the SEC during Saban's first 3 years or so?

    How did Urban have twelve times more arrests than any other school when he was at UF.

    Not very nice of him, given his circle of trust.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    In 2011 Bama had 11 kids leave their program in the offseason. Stats don't lie.

    So what happened to them?

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    Yea, sign 30 extra kids every 4 years, but those are just numbers, and we are of the group that don't understand recruiting[turnsblindeye]

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  • This discussion of over singing is as funny as the stupid statement Kirk. H. made last night saying Alabama's run of three national titles in four years is better than the run Nebraska had....lol. My wife asked why I laughed so hard after he said that. Here is why:

    Nebraska
    Unblemished seasons
    1994 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #3, and three more ranked teams.
    1995 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #7, #8, #10. All by at least 23 points.
    1997 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #3, and two more ranked teams.

    Seasons without the luxury of an Alabama second chance
    1993 - 12-1 - Lost to #1 FSU by 2 points on a last second missed FG
    1999 - 12-1 - Lost a tight road game to Texas due to a critical turnover. Later avenged loss by stomping Texas in conference championship game.

    That's not even including 1996 when Nebraska lost a bid to play for another NC when they had to play the CG without their best offensive player (Ahman Green) and best defensive player (Terrell Farley).

    Meanwhile...

    Alabama
    Unblemished season
    2009 - 14-0 - Wins over #1, #2, #7, #9 and two more ranked teams.

    Alabama second chance championships
    2011 - 12-1 - Lost at HOME. Didn't even play for conference championship.
    2012 - 13-1 - Lost at HOME to Texas A&M.

    Other seasons
    2008 - 12-2
    2010 - 10-3

    What is the difference between Alabama's last two title squads and the 1993 or 1999 Nebraska teams? Both teams had the ability to beat anyone at the end of the year. The difference is, the media and current BCS system gave one program the benefit of the doubt and second chances.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    How did Urban have twelve times more arrests than any other school when he was at UF.

    Not very nice of him, given his circle of trust.

    All the thugs go to FLA and Criami. Muschamps gators are full of thugs

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  • mfldbadgers said...

    Texas A&M has 8 commitments more than they are able to have when they need a roster at 85. They have some players counting back to the 2012 class, obviously players singing for the 2013 class, and are expecting 5 commited players not to qualify academically, and that still puts them at 3 over.

    WELCOME FORCED ATTRITION SEC STYLE!

    Funny how they will send those "extra" recruits to JUCO and then bring them back in if they show they can play.

    I had to chuckle when I am watching these so called "all star" games and see kids picking up A&M hats.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    In 2011 Bama had 11 kids leave their program in the offseason. Stats don't lie.

    I've provided a by name list above. Bama averages 3 transfers per year over the last four years. How many transferred from OSU last offseason again?

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  • devidee said...

    That isn't an answer. That's fluff.

    It's not fluff. It's roflmao

    You just don't understand 'cruitin. Math an glaringly obvious statistics and sitch got no place round here

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  • LegalAlien said...

    All the thugs go to FLA and Criami. Muschamps gators are full of thugs

    How many players got arrested for OSU last summer?

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  • mfldbadgers said...

    Texas A&M has 8 commitments more than they are able to have when they need a roster at 85. They have some players counting back to the 2012 class, obviously players singing for the 2013 class, and are expecting 5 commited players not to qualify academically, and that still puts them at 3 over.

    WELCOME FORCED ATTRITION SEC STYLE!

    Funny how they will send those "extra" recruits to JUCO and then bring them back in if they show they can play.

    Sheesh. Players don't get sent to JUCO to "prove they can play" they go to JUCO because they don't have the grades to qualify.

    This is what I mean about people not understanding recruiting. What a wacky thing to say.

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  • brem22 said...

    It's not fluff. It's roflmao

    You just don't understand 'cruitin. Math an glaringly obvious statistics and sitch got no place round here

    You've yet to make one intelligent point.

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  • brem22 said...

    It's not fluff. It's roflmao

    You just don't understand 'cruitin. Math an glaringly obvious statistics and sitch got no place round here

    You didn't answer the question.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    So what happened to them?

    7 Transfered/got cut
    3 medical redshirt
    1 died

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    How many players got arrested for OSU last summer?

    one?

    edit it was two at the same time for peeing in public from what I recall

    This post was edited by Sir Mix A Lot on 1/8/2013 at 8:13 PM

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  • so you call yourself an expert? lol. Do you realize that the majority of JUCO players sign with the teams they commited to out of high school? Expert lol. I know the truth can hurt SEC lovers.

    This post was edited by justwinnebraska on 1/8/2013 at 8:13 PM

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    7 Transfered/got cut 3 medical redshirt 1 died

    Majority of the transfers are "encouraged" transfers....aka forced attrition.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    How many players got arrested for OSU last summer?

    TWO for public urination. I was more talking about on the field. Gators players are thug lifing it on the field. Cryami is coke and hooker heaven and complete brawls on the field

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Sheesh. Players don't get sent to JUCO to "prove they can play" they go to JUCO because they don't have the grades to qualify.

    This is what I mean about people not understanding recruiting. What a wacky thing to say.

    Isn't it an advantage to be able to take more shots on academically borderline kids? Why does a kid need to be " steered"' to JUCO?

    Also JC, have you seen the B1G's specific rules that pertain to oversigning?

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  • mfldbadgers said...

    This discussion of over singing is as funny as the stupid statement Kirk. H. made last night saying Alabama's run of three national titles in four years is better than the run Nebraska had....lol. My wife asked why I laughed so hard after he said that. Here is why:

    Nebraska
    Unblemished seasons
    1994 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #3, and three more ranked teams.
    1995 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #7, #8, #10. All by at least 23 points.
    1997 - 13-0 - Wins over #2, #3, and two more ranked teams.

    Seasons without the luxury of an Alabama second chance
    1993 - 12-1 - Lost to #1 FSU by 2 points on a last second missed FG
    1999 - 12-1 - Lost a tight road game to Texas due to a critical turnover. Later avenged loss by stomping Texas in conference championship game.

    That's not even including 1996 when Nebraska lost a bid to play for another NC when they had to play the CG without their best offensive player (Ahman Green) and best defensive player (Terrell Farley).

    Meanwhile...

    Alabama
    Unblemished season
    2009 - 14-0 - Wins over #1, #2, #7, #9 and two more ranked teams.

    Alabama second chance championships
    2011 - 12-1 - Lost at HOME. Didn't even play for conference championship.
    2012 - 13-1 - Lost at HOME to Texas A&M.

    Other seasons
    2008 - 12-2
    2010 - 10-3

    What is the difference between Alabama's last two title squads and the 1993 or 1999 Nebraska teams? Both teams had the ability to beat anyone at the end of the year. The difference is, the media and current BCS system gave one program the benefit of the doubt and second chances.

    I thought the 1997 Nebraska team was better than the Michigan team it split the championship with.

    You have this false concept that football programs "send players off to JUCO to prove themselves" so you obviously have some opinions not based in reality about oversigning.

    You could argue against Bama getting the nod last year, but LSU would have just won instead. This year, I don't know which other team had an argument. Oregon maybe? Close loss at home just like Bama but did not win it's division or conference so the UGA game gave them the edge.

    You can argue the system is flawed. I agree and think the four-team playoff is a great change.

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