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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • devidee said...

    You didn't answer the question.

    The question? To me? The players are getting bumped for better, younger players and the team is using a loophole to keep them on scholarship? shrug

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    The question? To me? The players are getting bumped for better, younger players and the team is using a loophole to keep them on scholarship? shrug

    Sorry.

    Missed the obvious sarcasm the first time around.

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    devidee

  • devidee said...

    Isn't it an advantage to be able to take more shots on academically borderline kids? Why does a kid need to be " steered"' to JUCO?

    Also JC, have you seen the B1G's specific rules that pertain to oversigning?

    I've never once ever heard of a college program "steering" a kid to JUCO if said player had the grades to make it.

    There have been late qualifiers that have had to go to prep school anyway, but those kids usually come in mid year after the next football season.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • brem22 said...

    The question? To me? The players are getting bumped for better, younger players and the team is using a loophole to keep them on scholarship? shrug

    Show me where that's happening at the pace of 7-10 a year.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • mfldbadgers said...

    Majority of the transfers are "encouraged" transfers....aka forced attrition.

    Wrong, not one Saban player has been asked to transfer. If you think so, provide link.

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  • devidee said...

    That isn't an answer. That's fluff.

    Why did Bama literally have twelve times more medical hardships than any other school in the SEC during Saban's first 3 years or so?

    If even half of them were not injured, then it's shady. But show me where that is the case. This is what I am talking about. Weak arguments.

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  • I just wanted to say that I couldn't have asked for a better thread than this one for my last night on tBB.

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    devidee

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    If even half of them were not injured, then it's shady. But show me where that is the case. This is what I am talking about. Weak arguments.

    So it's just some insane anomaly?

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    devidee

  • http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/alabama/

    2011 The March to 85 - Alabama
    PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD
    Glenn Harbin Defensive Line Decided to play baseball; Link
    Demetrius Goode Running Back Transfer to North Alabama; Link
    Petey Smith Linebacker Transfer to Holems CC; Link
    Brandon Moore Defensive Lineman Transfer to East Mississippi Community College; Link
    Corey Grant Running Back Transfer to Auburn; Link
    Keiwone Malone Wide Receiver Transfer to Memphis; Link
    Robby Green Defensive Back Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania ; Link
    Darrington Sentimore Defensive Lineman Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College Link
    Arron Douglas Offensive Lineman Died during offseason; RIP, hate having to list him here.
    Kerry Murphy Defensive Line Medical Hardship
    Kendall Kelly Defensive Back Medical Hardship
    Wes Neighbors Defensive Back Medical Hardship

    2010 The March to 85 - Alabama
    PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD
    Terry Grant Running Back Scholarship not renewed
    Travis Sikes Wide Receiver Scholarship not renewed
    Rod Woodson Safety Scholarship not renewed
    Star Jackson Quarterback Transfer, Georgia State Div 1AA.
    Deion Belue Defensive Back Academically Ineligible; headed to JUCO
    Alfy Hill Linebacker Academically Ineligible; future unknown
    Taylor Pharr Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship
    Milton Talbert Linebacker Medical Hardship
    Darius McKeller Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship
    Ronnie Carswell Wide Receiver Greyshirt
    Wilson Love Defensive End Greyshirt

    mfldhuskers

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    7 Transfered/got cut 3 medical redshirt 1 died

    bump, 11 kids one offseason-no coach change

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    Sir Mix A Lot

  • FL Buckeye said...

    7 Transfered/got cut
    3 medical redshirt
    1 died

    So is it documented that they got cut? All seven of them? Of the three on medical, which ones weren't really hurt. I remember one saying that.

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  • devidee said...

    So it's just some insane anomaly?

    Its insane that people believe the $EC west does not oversign! They sign more players than any other CFB teams every year. I guess your detractors are saying its a coincidence? Seems pretty crazy..

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    So is it documented that they got cut? All seven of them? Of the three on medical, which ones weren't really hurt. I remember one saying that.

    Isn't one too many? Are we just assuming he was the only one? Like Mississippi State was the only team that Cam's dad wanted money from.

    Tshaw7

  • I think the funniest part is that Texas A&M has 35 or 36 commitments and still barely makes the top 10....

    Tshaw7

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning-data/index.html#ixzz2HQZjVwW6

    mfldhuskers

  • http://www.the-ozone.net/football/postseason/oversigning.html

    mfldhuskers

  • mfldbadgers said...

    http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/alabama/

    2011 The March to 85 - Alabama
    PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD
    Glenn Harbin Defensive Line Decided to play baseball; Link
    Demetrius Goode Running Back Transfer to North Alabama; Link
    Petey Smith Linebacker Transfer to Holems CC; Link
    Brandon Moore Defensive Lineman Transfer to East Mississippi Community College; Link
    Corey Grant Running Back Transfer to Auburn; Link
    Keiwone Malone Wide Receiver Transfer to Memphis; Link
    Robby Green Defensive Back Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania ; Link
    Darrington Sentimore Defensive Lineman Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College Link
    Arron Douglas Offensive Lineman Died during offseason; RIP, hate having to list him here.
    Kerry Murphy Defensive Line Medical Hardship
    Kendall Kelly Defensive Back Medical Hardship
    Wes Neighbors Defensive Back Medical Hardship

    2010 The March to 85 - Alabama
    PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD
    Terry Grant Running Back Scholarship not renewed
    Travis Sikes Wide Receiver Scholarship not renewed
    Rod Woodson Safety Scholarship not renewed
    Star Jackson Quarterback Transfer, Georgia State Div 1AA.
    Deion Belue Defensive Back Academically Ineligible; headed to JUCO
    Alfy Hill Linebacker Academically Ineligible; future unknown
    Taylor Pharr Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship
    Milton Talbert Linebacker Medical Hardship
    Darius McKeller Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship
    Ronnie Carswell Wide Receiver Greyshirt
    Wilson Love Defensive End Greyshirt

    Leaving after NSD? You do realize players that sign on NSD don't enroll until the summer, right?

    Brandon Moore plays at Texas now. Alfy Hill had grade issues and is now committed to South Carolina. Neither were cut. Goode is an RB and went for playing time elsewhere. Same with Grant. Sentimore played at Tennessee this year. Counting Belue shows how incredibly asinine this entire thing is- HE STARTED LAST NIGHT'S GAME!

    Star Jackson was the back-up QB those guys transfer all the time. Harbin wanted to play another sport.

    Again there's no accounting for individual situations from you guys.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    You've yet to make one intelligent point.

    Disagree. Honestly I don't care about over signing. Or the obvious use of gray shirting or medical hardships to circumvent limits. I just think it's hilarious that you would suggest that it's a myth or that questioning it amounts to fear and ignorance.

    My points:

    Recruiting services overrate SEC area talent, to a smaller extent Texas talent and vastly underrate CA and Ohio talent. This is borne out, very clearly, by the NFL rosters. I believe this goes part and parcel with overrating SEC teams not named Alabama.

    Alabama is on an entirely different level than GA, A&M and FLA. So, who has the talent to beat the SEC? Many teams. Again, provided we exclude Alabama.

    brem22

  • I know a recruit that commited to a B1G team and when he was visiting Alabama he was told "we have to play with the numbers" so we don't know if we will have a spot as "we need to play with the numbers."

    mfldhuskers

  • It's hilarious that SEC lovers are all of a sudden on the A&M tittay, 12 months ago they were just some team that couldn't finish in the middle of the dominant, stacked conference. Now they are better than the Internet or the steam engine.

    Tshaw7

  • LegalAlien said...

    Urban was born and raised in Toledo. Yes Satan is a great coach. Urban has beaten him before though.

    Urban beat Saban, in Sabans second year. In year 3, still building Bama by the way, Saban sent Meyer to the hospital. Meyer never came close to Saban again. The fact that UF and Bama were so close in Sabans second year says alot too.

    Saban sent Meyer into retirement where he now enjoys coaching at the college football equivalent of the Senior PGA. We broke him, he could not handle the pressure so he went where it is much MUCH less. The big 10 has always been 2 teams. As of 2010, 5 of 12 SEC teams won BCS national titles.

    Its funny how the big 10 has fallen off the face of the college football universe now, in the BCS era, when you have to play at least ONE good team on the field.

    BamaFan247

  • brem22 said...

    Disagree. Honestly I don't care about over signing. Or the obvious use of gray shirting or medical hardships to circumvent limits. I just think it's hilarious that you would suggest that it's a myth or that questioning it amounts to fear and ignorance.

    My points:

    Recruiting services overrate SEC area talent, to a smaller extent Texas talent and vastly underrate CA and Ohio talent. This is borne out, very clearly, by the NFL rosters. I believe this goes part and parcel with overrating SEC teams not named Alabama.

    Alabama is on an entirely different level than GA, A&M and FLA. So, who has the talent to beat the SEC? Many teams. Again, provided we exclude Alabama.

    The talking heads said Florida would blowout Louisville and it would look even worse than the score. Remind me who won the game again.

    Georgia was one play away from playing for the national title and were losing to a B1G team at halftime. And were taken to the 4th quarter. I thought that defense was loaded with NFL talent? lol.

    Northwestern beat an SEC team.

    LSU lost to Clemson.

    Texas A&M and a solid athlete at QB. One of the top teams. But no guarantee they would beat Oregon or Stanford.

    I will give credit for Alabama for being elite but that is it.

    mfldhuskers

  • Tshaw7 said...

    It's hilarious that SEC lovers are all of a sudden on the A&M tittay, 12 months ago they were just some team that couldn't finish in the middle of the dominant, stacked conference. Now they are better than the Internet or the steam engine.

    +1 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    mfldhuskers

  • mfldbadgers said...

    http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/tag/alabama/

    2011 The March to 85 - Alabama PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD Glenn Harbin Defensive Line Decided to play baseball; Link Demetrius Goode Running Back Transfer to North Alabama; Link Petey Smith Linebacker Transfer to Holems CC; Link Brandon Moore Defensive Lineman Transfer to East Mississippi Community College; Link Corey Grant Running Back Transfer to Auburn; Link Keiwone Malone Wide Receiver Transfer to Memphis; Link Robby Green Defensive Back Transfer to California University of Pennsylvania ; Link Darrington Sentimore Defensive Lineman Transfer to Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College Link Arron Douglas Offensive Lineman Died during offseason; RIP, hate having to list him here. Kerry Murphy Defensive Line Medical Hardship Kendall Kelly Defensive Back Medical Hardship Wes Neighbors Defensive Back Medical Hardship

    2010 The March to 85 - Alabama PLAYER POSITION REASON FOR LEAVING AFTER NSD Terry Grant Running Back Scholarship not renewed Travis Sikes Wide Receiver Scholarship not renewed Rod Woodson Safety Scholarship not renewed Star Jackson Quarterback Transfer, Georgia State Div 1AA. Deion Belue Defensive Back Academically Ineligible; headed to JUCO Alfy Hill Linebacker Academically Ineligible; future unknown Taylor Pharr Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship Milton Talbert Linebacker Medical Hardship Darius McKeller Offensive Lineman Medical Hardship Ronnie Carswell Wide Receiver Greyshirt Wilson Love Defensive End Greyshirt

    On top of what JC stated:

    Keiwone Malone was suspended then transferred. Got in trouble several times off the field. Unlike Urban, Saban doesn't want that type of character around his program.

    Robby Green kept smoking the left-handed cigarette and couldn't lay off, so Saban sent his ass packing. Hell he was our starting FS and got suspended by the NCAA for the entire 2010 season.

    Terry Grant and Travis Sikes graduated and decided not to come back for their 5th year of eligibility.

    Carswell and Bowman were suspended in Dec 2011 and decided to transfer.

    Saban doesn't have a circle of trust.

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