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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    So is it documented that they got cut? All seven of them? Of the three on medical, which ones weren't really hurt. I remember one saying that.

    It just so happens that is exactly the number needed to get down to 85. Must be a coincidence. Average school has 3-4 leave per year, Bama is triple that but you doin't see it as roster manipulation?

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  • If A&M isn't at least in the conversation you're crazy. They will have have a unbelievable offense and the defense will have more size and another year in the scheme.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    It just so happens that is exactly the number needed to get down to 85. Must be a coincidence. Average school has 3-4 leave per year, Bama is triple that but you doin't see it as roster manipulation?

    It just happens to be 11 one year and 12 next year. And those numbers happen to just make the 85 limit. lol. Nothing variated like 3 this year and 8 the next year.

    justwinnebraska

  • brem22 said...

    Alabama is on an entirely different level than FLA. So, who has the talent to beat the SEC? Many teams. Again, provided we exclude Alabama.

    2006- Champs
    2007- 4 losses in a rebuilding yr/loss to UM in bowl gm
    2008- Champs
    2009- 1 loss ( to Bama)/Sugar Bowl win
    2010- Meyer quit and then came back/ still sucked
    2011- new coaching staff/sucked
    2012- 11-2/ Sugar bowl loss

    That's 4 BCS bowl gm appearances (3 wins), 2 BCS championships, and 2 sec championships in the last 7 yrs.

    Bama:

    2007- 7-6
    2008- 12-2, loss in Sugar Bowl
    2009- Champs
    2010- 3 losses, won bowl gm
    2011- champs
    '12- champs

    Obviously Bama's run is superior, but UF's program can hold their own weight, w/the proper coaching staff.

    CRgator1

  • If Bama were cutting people, you'd think after 6 recruiting classes it would start destroying us on the recruiting trail. Coaches would use it against us, articles would be published nationally all the time, recruits who were cut would run to the press, etc.

    But somehow Alabama still signs the #1 class annually. Funny how that works.

    All the bucknuts have is conspiracy theories.

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  • brem22 said...

    I laid this out months ago for you, with hard statistics and you refused to answer straightly. I'd dig it up but apparently any post I made prior to 60 days ago has vaporized.

    Proof of a conspiracy IMO

    Bom274

  • FL Buckeye said...

    It just so happens that is exactly the number needed to get down to 85. Must be a coincidence. Average school has 3-4 leave per year, Bama is triple that but you doin't see it as roster manipulation?

    Actually no it's not. We had two open scholarships prior to the season and awarded them to walk-on's.

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  • Bom274 said...

    Proof of a conspiracy IMO

    No question. Pretty sure 247 is tapping my phones as well.

    brem22

  • Bengalfan said...

    I get the need to hype these programs but the only competition comes from within.

    (One of many) OSU played a similar schedule to ND and went undefeated and would have received the same best down.

    Oregon could not out speed LSU and West Virginia went up and down the field but that brand does not work in the red zone, lot of yds. but no score.

    If the SEC champ has one loss and gets left out of the BCSCG then it will be a media title and not the played out on the field.

    Simply stated no matter the record if an SEC team plays they will beat a weak (one of many)OSU, Oregon, FSU, Texas or USUw or whomever the media wishes. Play the SEC in the big game and beat us and it will still be "one of" in this decade. We don't need the media we invite you to play us, just play.

    SEC Baby!!!!

    But what you are forgetting is if OSU was playing this game the SEC would not have been in the National title game it would have been OSU and ND Just saying

    coachb13

  • CRgator1 said...

    2006- Champs 2007- 4 losses in a rebuilding yr/loss to UM in bowl gm 2008- Champs 2009- 1 loss ( to Bama)/Sugar Bowl win 2010- Meyer quit and then came back/ still sucked 2011- new coaching staff/sucked 2012- 11-2/ Sugar bowl loss

    That's 4 BCS bowl gm appearances (3 wins), 2 BCS championships, and 2 sec championships in the last 7 yrs.

    Bama:

    2007- 7-6 2008- 12-2, loss in Sugar Bowl 2009- Champs 2010- 3 losses, won bowl gm 2011- champs '12- champs

    Obviously Bama's run is superior, but UF's program can hold their own weight, w/the proper coaching staff.

    I'm not talking historically at all. I'm just talking about this season/today.

    That said, if any team has the juice to knock off Bama in the SEC it'll be FLA IMO. Their recruiting has been money the past few years. A&M's recruiting, for example, is laughable in comparison.

    brem22

  • quoting sports illustrated:

    By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz2HReKSLcm

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  • Bom274 said...

    so, the lesson of this thread is that devidee is a delusional troll who can't/won't take an objective perspective on CFB or engage in rational conversation?

    That is far from the lesson. Keep up.

    Jagstyle

  • FL Buckeye said...

    quoting sports illustrated:

    By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz2HReKSLcm

    This has yet to be addressed by JC or anyone else.

    How can that high of a number of medical hardships be reasonably explained?

    Bama - 12 in four years (every other SEC team averaged just one in that time frame)

    OSU - 4 in ten years

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by devidee on 1/8/2013 at 9:29 PM

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  • brem22 said...

    I'm not talking historically at all. I'm just talking about this season/today.

    That said, if any team has the juice to knock off Bama in the SEC it'll be FLA IMO. Their recruiting has been money the past few years. A&M's recruiting, for example, is laughable in comparison.

    True

    CRgator1

  • FL Buckeye said...

    It just so happens that is exactly the number needed to get down to 85. Must be a coincidence. Average school has 3-4 leave per year, Bama is triple that but you doin't see it as roster manipulation?

    That's my point. It's a conspiracy theory. You have nothing but guesswork to go on there.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    quoting sports illustrated:

    By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz2HReKSLcm

    Is it illegal? Do you have proof the player was being forced to take a medical?

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  • devidee said...

    This has yet to be addressed by JC or anyone else.

    How can that high of a number of medical hardships be reasonably explained?

    Bama - 12 in four years (every other SEC team averaged just one in that time frame)

    OSU - 4 in ten years

    As someone once said..

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    Jagstyle

  • FL Buckeye said...

    quoting sports illustrated:

    By "not able to continue to play," Saban is referring to players who have suffered injuries so severe they might be granted medical hardships. Those players maintain their scholarships to the school but are no longer part of the team. Saban has done this with at least 12 players during his four years in Tuscaloosa, which raises red flags considering Ohio State's Jim Tressel, for example, has placed just four players on hardship scholarships in his entire 10-year tenure. Do Alabama players suffer debilitating injuries at a far greater rate than Ohio State players? Not likely.

    Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/02/04/saban-oversigning/index.html#ixzz2HReKSLcm

    It raises red flags and isn't likely that these players had to go on medical. There is no proof that it was actually cutting. If there was, then sure that's getting rid of dead weight recruited by a previous staff and raises plenty of ethical questions.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    That's my point. It's a conspiracy theory. You have nothing but guesswork to go on there.

    how bout this LSU kid that says outright LSU oversigned and told him to grayshirt?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    That's my point. It's a conspiracy theory. You have nothing but guesswork to go on there.

    The day Saban offers 4 year scholarships, is the day this argument is put to rest.

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    As someone once said..

    OSU signed 92 the last four years. Guess we aren't the only one's with our head in the sand.

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  • devidee said...

    This has yet to be addressed by JC or anyone else.

    How can that high of a number of medical hardships be reasonably explained?

    Bama - 12 in four years (every other SEC team averaged just one in that time frame)

    OSU - 4 in ten years

    Has it continued to happen? Have they averaged three medicals a year since? Also that's three players a year, which would mean 15 over a five-year period, not 36.

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  • Different debate entirely.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    how bout this LSU kid that says outright LSU oversigned and told him to grayshirt?

    Yeah that kid plays at LSU now after signing with another SEC program and then transferring. Also that's not even oversigning. He never signed.

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  • brem22 said...

    I'm not talking historically at all. I'm just talking about this season/today.

    That said, if any team has the juice to knock off Bama in the SEC it'll be FLA IMO. Their recruiting has been money the past few years. A&M's recruiting, for example, is laughable in comparison.

    Aggies have a top 10 class and played several true freshmen this season that are going to be players.

    Laughable?

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