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Who has the talent to stop the SEC?

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    OSU signed 92 the last four years. Guess we aren't the only one's with our head in the sand.

    Someone needs to educate themself on oversigning. No guesswork here, just facts.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Has it continued to happen? Have they averaged three medicals a year since? Also that's three players a year, which would mean 15 over a five-year period, not 36.

    So it's ok because it only happened for four years?

    Can you explain the crazy number of medicals during that period?

    Again, this is about building a program as DiNardo described.

    I never said Bama had 36 medical hardships.

    This post was edited by devidee on 1/8/2013 at 9:47 PM

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  • TAMUchris said...

    If A&M isn't at least in the conversation you're crazy. They will have have a unbelievable offense and the defense will have more size and another year in the scheme.

    Are you commenting on the article? If so, aren't the Aggies now a member of the SEC?

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  • devidee said...

    So it's ok because it only happened for four years?

    Can you explain the crazy number of medicals during that period?

    Again, this is about building a program as DiNardo described.

    I never said Bama had 36 medical hardships.

    That's my point. You can't explain it because you don't know. Each individual situation is different.

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  • sullkev said...

    Someone needs to educate themself on oversigning. No guesswork here, just facts.

    Oh so it's ok to sign 92 over four years, but not 103. LULZ

    That two extra players a year is the reason why Bama is making it's run?

    Hit me up when you have a facts to support your theory that a player was "forced out" due to attrition.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    That's my point. You can't explain it because you don't know. Each individual situation is different.

    That high of a number is unheard of. I'm simply asking for a reasonable explanation.

    Again, is it just an insane anomaly?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Yeah that kid plays at LSU now after signing with another SEC program and then transferring. Also that's not even oversigning. He never signed.

    what are you talking about????

    "He just told me that they didn't have room for me. I moved out of my dorm today and I am now back home trying to figure everything out. It's been a rough 24 hours."

    Kid had moved in to his dorm, and then got his scholly pulled. If you don't see that as oversigning, then anything goes in your book.

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  • sullkev said...

    Someone needs to educate themself on oversigning. No guesswork here, just facts.

    So that data is based on number signed on Signing Day and not number enrolled? Torpedoes the entire argument because you aren't accounting for a ton of variables and scenarios that take place during the 4-6 months before enrollment.

    Makes it even more of a conspiracy and fails to even show why it's an advantage if the data used is number signed.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Oh so it's ok to sign 92 over four years, but not 103. LULZ

    That two extra players a year is the reason why Bama is making it's run?

    Hit me up when you have a facts to support your theory that a player was "forced out" due to attrition.

    When we played Ark in the Sugar bowl two years ago they had signed 36 more players in the four years leading up to that game. Level playing field though right?

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  • Well then, JC, answer your own question. Are they doing that or are are they not?

    Reality is that Alabama has been THE place to be/go the last 5 years. They are recruiting their arses off. However, to act like oversigning has nothing to do with the relative success of the SEC is silly. On average, they have signed many more players and have had the advantage of that.

    Generally speaking, the top SEC schools have recruited better, and over-recruited better. Voila, more success.

    MacDaddy, prove to me that this is wrong, don't ask me for proof.

    JMo

  • FL Buckeye said...

    When we played Ark in the Sugar bowl two years ago they had signed 36 more players in the four years leading up to that game. Level playing field though right?

    Did the "36 more players" suit up, take the field, or even enroll?

    Until a team over-enrolls, the argument or conspiracy holds no water.

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  • devidee said...

    That high of a number is unheard of. I'm simply asking for a reasonable explanation.

    Again, is it just an insane anomaly?

    If it doesn't happen consistently then, yes.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    If it doesn't happen consistently then, yes.

    LULZ....ok.

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  • JMo said...

    Well then, JC, answer your own question. Are they doing that or are are they not?

    Reality is that Alabama has been THE place to be/go the last 5 years. They are recruiting their arses off. However, to act like oversigning has nothing to do with the relative success of the SEC is silly. On average, they have signed many more players and have had the advantage of that.

    Generally speaking, the top SEC schools have recruited better, and over-recruited better. Voila, more success.

    MacDaddy, prove to me that this is wrong, don't ask me for proof.

    I've already provided, by class and name, which players are no longer on the team and why.

    LULULULULULZ at you telling me to prove to you, yet state "don't ask me for proof". I hope you aren't a lawyer, because you would lose alot of money. OSU fans are the one's making the accusations, so give all of us the proof to support your argument/conspiracy, and not just using signing day numbers.

    Otherwise, hit me up when Saban over-enrolls.

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  • JMo said...

    Well then, JC, answer your own question. Are they doing that or are are they not?

    Reality is that Alabama has been THE place to be/go the last 5 years. They are recruiting their arses off. However, to act like oversigning has nothing to do with the relative success of the SEC is silly. On average, they have signed many more players and have had the advantage of that.

    Generally speaking, the top SEC schools have recruited better, and over-recruited better. Voila, more success.

    MacDaddy, prove to me that this is wrong, don't ask me for proof.

    Because simply having a lot of players sign on NSD does not directly improve your roster. Those players have to enroll, so almost right away you aren't accounting for a single player that fails to qualify and heads to prep or JUCO.

    Also in reading through Alabama's "attrition" report most of the guys on the list had legitimate reasons to leave or never enroll to start with.

    Finally, nobody ever mentions most of these programs that you pick on annually award scholarships to walk-ons because they are under the 85.

    Again it's not the numbers, it's what is happening to the players.

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  • FL Buckeye said...

    what are you talking about????

    "He just told me that they didn't have room for me. I moved out of my dorm today and I am now back home trying to figure everything out. It's been a rough 24 hours."

    Kid had moved in to his dorm, and then got his scholly pulled. If you don't see that as oversigning, then anything goes in your book.

    Yeah I was getting him confused with Patrick Miller's situation.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Aggies have a top 10 class and played several true freshmen this season that are going to be players.

    Laughable?

    Huh? So this years class is going to make them a powerhouse next year?

    Over the past three/four years FLA classes have destroyed A&Ms. It's not even close. So yeah, to compare the two teams, today, talent-wise, is...

    Laughable.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    Huh? So this years class is going to make them a powerhouse next year?

    Over the past three/four years FLA classes have destroyed A&Ms. It's not even close. So yeah, to compare the two teams, today, talent-wise, is...

    Laughable.

    True, but just like UF with Tebow, Manziel is able to do the same thing at aTm.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Oh so it's ok to sign 92 over four years, but not 103. LULZ

    That two extra players a year is the reason why Bama is making it's run?

    Hit me up when you have a facts to support your theory that a player was "forced out" due to attrition.

    tOSU signed LOI
    2009 25
    2010 18
    2011 23
    2012 25 Total 91

    Bama
    2009 27
    2010 29
    2011 25
    2012 26 Total 107

    Sand aside, tOSU oversigned by 0. BIG has a Firm 25 rule. B1G offers 4 year scholarships. All that and a coaching change & sanctions. Meanwhile Alabama officially oversigned by 11 in 2011 (1 yr) and offers none on the rest.

    Jagstyle

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    True, but just like UF with Tebow, Manziel is able to do the same thing at aTm.

    Not sure what you mean...

    brem22

  • devidee said...

    I disagree.

    Florida flat out got rocked by Louisville. LSU lost to Clemson. UGA hasn't won a big game in what, 30 years.

    A&M was a two loss team with those losses to clearly overrated teams.

    South Carolina squeaked past a 4 loss B1G team.

    Things happen, but SC's only 2 losses came on the road to LSU & Fl back to back. LSU was by 2 points, & Fl, well, that was admittedly ugly from kick off but shouldn't have been! The number of turnovers was insane & unforgivable, but hardly representative of the better team. They blew GA out of the water in the 1st qtr & owned Clemson, who beat LSU, on the road, again. GA went on to beat Fl, who had beaten A&M & LSU, & was 1 play away from taking Bama down, so while Bama brought home the championship again, to think that numerous other SEC teams couldn't have done the same is ridiculous.

    And, while SC did inexplicably let Michigan back in the game in the 2nd half, they also didn't run any of the insane dominating defensive schemes they had done most of the year, responsible for showings such as holding fl to only 29 yds & 2 1st downs the entire 1st half.

    So while SEC teams beat up on each other, & keep in mind it was SC that brought Bama's defending NC team's 19 game winning streak to a halt in 2010!!, this undefeated Ohio St team, who played no one of any talent & struggled then, is supposed to be magically accepted as THE team that would've had Bama's number. Of course, I would argue their 1-9 bowl record against SEC teams speaks for itself regarding who is traditionally more talented.

    The beauty of these arguments is that finally removing the ridiculous conference limits will allow more SEC teams to play each other post season & not give other conf teams a free ride just because they are atop of a lesser conference. Unfortunately, we're still limited to 4. A 7 team playoff would come much closer to exposing the true best teams regardless of conference affiliations

    #TeamWinAnyway!

    SparklCityGC

  • FL Buckeye said...

    what are you talking about????

    "He just told me that they didn't have room for me. I moved out of my dorm today and I am now back home trying to figure everything out. It's been a rough 24 hours."

    Kid had moved in to his dorm, and then got his scholly pulled. If you don't see that as oversigning, then anything goes in your book.

    Lol jc is a homer you will never win this battle!!! This is rivals part 2 the southern Recruiting site.....

    bucky34

  • SparklCityGC said...

    Things happen, but SC's only 2 losses came on the road to LSU & Fl back to back. LSU was by 2 points, & Fl, well, that was admittedly ugly from kick off but shouldn't have been! The number of turnovers was insane & unforgivable, but hardly representative of the better team. They blew GA out of the water in the 1st qtr & owned Clemson, who beat LSU, on the road, again. GA went on to beat Fl, who had beaten A&M & LSU, & was 1 play away from taking Bama down, so while Bama brought home the championship again, to think that numerous other SEC teams couldn't have done the same is ridiculous.

    And, while SC did inexplicably let Michigan back in the game in the 2nd half, they also didn't run any of the insane dominating defensive schemes they had done most of the year, responsible for showings such as holding fl to only 29 yds & 2 1st downs the entire 1st half.

    So while SEC teams beat up on each other, & keep in mind it was SC that brought Bama's defending NC team's 19 game winning streak to a halt in 2010!!, this undefeated Ohio St team, who played no one of any talent & struggled then, is supposed to be magically accepted as THE team that would've had Bama's number. Of course, I would argue their 1-9 bowl record against SEC teams speaks for itself regarding who is traditionally more talented.

    The beauty of these arguments is that finally removing the ridiculous conference limits will allow more SEC teams to play each other post season & not give other conf teams a free ride just because they are atop of a lesser conference. Unfortunately, we're still limited to 4. A 7 team playoff would come much closer to exposing the true best teams regardless of conference affiliations

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    So that data is based on number signed on Signing Day and not number enrolled? Torpedoes the entire argument because you aren't accounting for a ton of variables and scenarios that take place during the 4-6 months before enrollment.

    Makes it even more of a conspiracy and fails to even show why it's an advantage if the data used is number signed.

    How is that a torpedo? It just puts Bama on the same playing field as the rest of us. If you take a risk on a questionable kid it has circumstances. Pure and simple. To allow for them to have 6-12 mulligans each and every recruiting cycle is a Competitive Advantage. Oversigning !!!

    Jagstyle

  • sullkev said...

    tOSU signed LOI 2009 25 2010 18 2011 23 2012 25 Total 91

    Bama 2009 27 2010 29 2011 25 2012 26 Total 107

    Sand aside, tOSU oversigned by 0. BIG has a Firm 25 rule. B1G offers 4 year scholarships. All that and a coaching change & sanctions. Meanwhile Alabama officially oversigned by 11 in 2011 (1 yr) and offers none on the rest.

    Your numbers are wrong.

    Bama only signed 23 in '11 and 26 in '10.

    This post was edited by Macdaddy7930 on 1/8/2013 at 10:49 PM

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