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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Well, I see that Nova agrees with me about USC pulling in a better class.

    I guess you guys had a lot of coaching turnover, so maybe that is FSUe problem.

    Yup, you got us 2-0 in the head to head. If you guys hadn't have spent all those years as Female State U. maybe they would have played more than 2 games. Maybe Jimbob will clear some of the heavyweights like Bill Murray St and Savannah St off the schedule to play SC.

    Scheduling a terrible USCw squad does nothing for schedule strength so I doubt it, you can't even beat the ACC runner ups who were only the runner ups cause two schools that were better couldn't play in the ACC title game

    So really the 4th place ACC team beat USCw down roflmao

    You also don't have a better class, its simply ranked higher which means close to nothing

    USCw will always pull higher rated kids, they compete with nobody out west

    Meanwhile FSU has to fight off SEC powers and two in state rivals for kids, much harder to do

    Lane quit and ran out west cause he couldn't handle it

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Scheduling a terrible USCw squad does nothing for schedule strength so I doubt it, you can't even beat the ACC runner ups who were only the runner ups cause two schools that were better couldn't play in the ACC title game

    So really the 4th place ACC team beat USCw down roflmao

    You also don't have a better class, its simply ranked higher which means close to nothing

    USCw will always pull higher rated kids, they compete with nobody out west

    Meanwhile FSU has to fight off SEC powers and two in state rivals for kids, much harder to do

    Lane quit and ran out west cause he couldn't handle it

    You can do better than this.

    Laughing at your focal point being a pointless bowl game that nobody cares about. You say it all the time how worthless these bowl games are, now you want to act like the GaTech game meant something. Get real.

    Besides when it meant something, FSUe barely squeaked by GT 21-15 and UNC got blown out 68-40 by GT, so let's not exaggerate things.

    Judging by how you barely beat Tech, I would have liked USC's chances against FSUe with Barkley playing, and SC sucked last year.

    Maybe one of these days those southern teams you play will step up their game and stop getting dominated by western teams.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    You can do better than this.

    Laughing at your focal point being a pointless bowl game that nobody cares about. You say it all the time how worthless these bowl games are, now you want to act like the GaTech game meant something. Get real.

    Besides when it meant something, FSUe barely squeaked by GT 21-15 and UNC got blown out 68-40 by GT, so let's not exaggerate things.

    Judging by how you barely beat Tech, I would have liked USC's chances against FSUe with Barkley playing, and SC sucked last year.

    Maybe one of these days those southern teams you play will step up their game and stop getting dominated by western teams.

    This whole post is just failure, I guess you are still mad that I predicted how bad USCw would be this season

    And yes, I remember you getting pissed off and telling me how this would be an easy national title for the Trojans

    I outed you as a moron on this board a long time ago, yet still you try to get at me with " FSUe " and whatever other failures at humor you can muster up

    I never acted like losing to GT meant anything either, Im just using it as proof that USCw sucked and will suck again next year seeing as how your QB of the future can't even salvage a win against middle of the pack ACC teams

    Lolz at Barkley playing against FSU gives you a chance, FSU's DL would send that pussy to the hospital by halftime if not sooner

    Enjoy going 6-6 next year with 20+ 5 stars on the roster roflmao

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    This whole post is just failure, I guess you are still mad that I predicted how bad USCw would be this season

    And yes, I remember you getting pissed off and telling me how this would be an easy national title for the Trojans

    I outed you as a moron on this board a long time ago, yet still you try to get at me with " FSUe " and whatever other failures at humor you can muster up

    I never acted like losing to GT meant anything either, Im just using it as proof that USCw sucked and will suck again next year seeing as how your QB of the future can't even salvage a win against middle of the pack ACC teams

    Lolz at Barkley playing against FSU gives you a chance, FSU's DL would send that pussy to the hospital by halftime if not sooner

    Enjoy going 6-6 next year with 20+ 5 stars on the roster roflmao

    You can say all the other things all you want but lets not make up stuff like saying I said this would be an easy NCship. I never said anything like that.
    I never said anything about what USC was going to do, just what they have done.

    And I wasn't the moron claiming to have an elite D like you. LMAO.

    The FSUe thing really seems to bother you. Why is it a big deal? After all, FSUw has more baseball national titles than FSUe.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Come back and talk to me when FSUe gets their record over .500 OOC vs winning AQ teams in the BCS Era.

    FSUe 20-23 since 1998, come on - even Oregon has done better than that.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    The FSUe thing really seems to bother you. Why is it a big deal? After all, FSUw has more baseball national titles than FSUe.

    No, what bothers you is that " USCw " is used by many on boards all over the internet

    So you decided to come up with one of your own, and still to this day are the only person I have ever seen use it in regards to FSU

    So why would I be upset that one terrible poster on one site does it ? I find it funny that you think something like that would bother me

    FSU had an elite defense as well, you just don't understand that and put the blame of an average offense turning it over as the defenses fault for giving up a few scores on the year due to short fields ( which is the reason for a high number of points given up in the UF and Clemson games )

    Which is just further proof you are a moron who doesn't understand football is a team sport

    FSU's defense was damn good this season and in the same company as LSU and Bama, making it elite.... convincing you they are isn't needed, most people that cover CFB agreed and FSU will send around 7 defenders to the NFL and ranked top 5 in almost every single category that mattered

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    FSUe had an elite defense


    Yes they did back in the 90's. lol
    roflmaoroflmao

    If you want to know what an elite D looks like check USC 2008
    or Alabama 2011

    What you have is a very good Defense, but not an elite D.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Like I said, Im not trying to convince you

    The people that matter are convinced, lolz at calling it very good but not elite

    What is the difference ?

    When we look back in 5 years we will know that at least 20+ players went on to the NFL off that defense

    It ranked top 5 in nearly every category despite losing two senior all american starters for the whole season before week 2

    It ranked #1 in pass defense despite losing an All American 5 star senior CB before the year even started, #3 in rush defense despite losing a 5 star DT and All American DE before the season started, #6 in scoring defense, #2 in total defense ( despite playing almost 100 more plays than Bama's defense.... again, proof that FSU's offense hurt FSU's D whereas Bama's offense helped its defense )

    If that isn't your definition of elite then please explain to me what is

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Like I said, Im not trying to convince you

    The people that matter are convinced, lolz at calling it very good but not elite

    What is the difference ?

    When we look back in 5 years we will know that at least 20+ players went on to the NFL off that defense

    It ranked top 5 in nearly every category despite losing two senior all american starters for the whole season before week 2

    It ranked #1 in pass defense despite losing an All American 5 star senior CB before the year even started, #3 in rush defense despite losing a 5 star DT and All American DE before the season started, #6 in scoring defense, #2 in total defense ( despite playing almost 100 more plays than Bama's defense.... again, proof that FSU's offense hurt FSU's D whereas Bama's offense helped its defense )

    If that isn't your definition of elite then please explain to me what is

    Elite defenses don't give up 245 yards of rushing, almost 400 total yards, over 50% conversion on 3rd down, and 5 scoring drives of at least 9 plus plays / 50 plus yards at home to their rival.

    Guess it wasn't just the offenses fault. Huh.

    Bowling Green, La-Lafayette, D1aa Jax St., and Louisville all held Florida under 28 pts.

    Big difference between very good and elite. Like I said, best defense of the past decade was USC 2008, Alabama is right up there too.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Elite defenses don't give up 245 yards of rushing, almost 400 total yards, over 50% conversion on 3rd down, and 5 scoring drives of at least 9 plus plays / 50 plus yards at home to their rival.

    Guess it wasn't just the offenses fault. Huh.

    Bowling Green, La-Lafayette, D1aa Jax St., and Louisville all held Florida under 28 pts.

    Big difference between very good and elite. Like I said, best defense of the past decade was USC 2008, Alabama is right up there too.

    It was the offenses fault, you obviously didn't watch the game at all and are just looking at stat sheets

    Despite UF being a great team, they scored 24 points in the 4th quarter and most of those rushing yards came at this time

    Up to that point FSU's defense played incredibly despite 4 turnovers and were the largest reason they were even leading heading into the 4th quarter, however the turnovers took its toll late and they got tired, thus UF running right down its face

    Usually if you turn the ball over 5 times, you aren't even in the game in the 4th against a top 10 team like UF

    It also didn't help losing its leading tackler on the year and All Conference senior DE early in the 4th quarter

    UF also doesn't take any of those teams mentioned as seriously as they take FSU, and don't put anywhere close to the same amount of effort into those games

    lmao at you taking the time to mention 2008 USC, which means nothing to this argument

    I rate a few defenses in the elite category every year, it sounds like you only label 3 defenses a decade in this category which is just stupid imo

    LSU, Bama, UF and FSU had elite defenses this past year imo, and the stats back it up

    If you want to think otherwise due to a ridiculous personal rating system then so be it

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  • Way to hijack a cool thread guys. My pick would be USCw and that may or may not be influenced by the USCw guy in this thread pissing me off. But their recruiting class went from maybe one of the best classes of all time to losing a guy to Kentucky, and now they've gotten rid of like every coach except for the worst one who just so happens to be the HC. There's a few other good candidates but USCw takes the cake for me. They were in the gutter with the bowl bans, had a brief trip back to the top and got a preseason #1 ranking. So they follow that up by going 7-6, losing several key recruits, and then firing the coaches that all of the remaining recruits signed on with in the first place. The more I type, the more I realize it isn't close IMO

    By the way what is FSUw? Fresno State? That's a god awful troll you should probably give that one up. Doesn't seem to be catching on I can't imagine why

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  • gobigblue21 said... By the way what is FSUw? Fresno State? That's a god awful troll you should probably give that one up. Doesn't seem to be catching on I can't imagine why

    He doesn't seem to realize its a terrible troll, and keeps using it on me like it bothers me

    I find it funny at this point and yes, it hasn't caught on at all and likely never will

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  • Redzulu said...

    Hate to agree with the Gator but dude you are right this was a nightmare of a recruiting season as I have seen in all my years as a Cane fan. I hope we have a Great year cause we will need it to keep the momentum for us. I am so glad the Basketball team is having the Success its having cause that truly is a Positive amongst all the negativiity for Miami.

    Add to that and the new facilities we have some pluses going on, I really feel Stacy Coley will be a Dynamic player this year for Miami but losing Bostwick was more damaging than losing Matthew Thomas in my eyes that guy is a true stud.

    bro, we finished 17th. Not 27th, no 37th, not 187th. 17 is damn good with limited scholarships and visits.

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    bro, we finished 17th. Not 27th, no 37th, not 187th. 17 is damn good with limited scholarships and visits.

    I feel like 17th for the U is really bad no matter how you slice it or justify it but hey good for you for keeping the positivity. If what the other guy said is true, only signing 4 guys in the Miami area (and I could be wrong but one of those might have been Little Ray Ray who is about 1/100th the player his dad is) seems to be the most telling.

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    bro, we finished 17th. Not 27th, no 37th, not 187th. 17 is damn good with limited scholarships and visits.

    It is to a degree, but other sites rank it much worse and the bottom line is Miami missed on many prospects

    Only signed 4 kids from the south florida area which is downright insane and something I never thought I would see

    And the DL needs weren't addressed at all

    With almost certain scholarship reductions in the future, Miami needs to stop missing on big name talent from its own backyard.... plain and simple

    If I was a Miami fan calling this class a disaster wouldn't even describe it, although I would be happy that they landed some studs it wouldn't outweigh the fact they missed on many others that they shouldn't of imo

    The best part of Miami's class imo is they likely found a QB for the future and he doesn't have to come in and start right away, this was huge and at the very worst will at least guarantee the fact Miami won't be too terrible moving forward for a QB is a very important position obviously

    If Olsen doesn't pan out, then we are looking at possibly the worst Miami recruiting class of all time

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  • phillip740il said...

    easy. you missed on a ton of kids in your area and then compounded it by pissing off a local high school coach in a very public and embarrassing manner. the lack of miami area recruits in your class is astounding. you only took 4 guys from miami and its surrounding counties in your class. we took the same amount as you did and USF also took 4. thats piss poor recruiting of the area you guys primarily rely on.

    I disagree with you. YES, we missed out on DT's which were of the number 1 priority for us, but that being said, a football team has multiple positions. You think if you just have good DT's you beat teams like NC State? LOL...there's my jab.. You had PHENOMENAL DT's and lost to a terrible team.

    I love the BTW thing. WHO GIVES A SHIT??? You're right, there's no other schools in Dade and Broward that are any good to recruit from. STA, Central, Northwestern, Carol City, University School, Homestead, Norland, etc etc etc...

    Recruiting your home base is important, yes, but finished 17th with limited scholarships and visits. That's a BIG win to me.

    Don't worry, Khiari Clark is ours next year or do you want us to sign 18 5 star DT's to fulfill our requirement???

    You just hate us cause were Miami. If this were flipped, I would say FSU did damn good. Look how I defended how you did earlier in this thread. I thought you guys had a GREAT class and rightfully so. To say Miami was the biggest loser is ridiculous. If that's the case, then what's said for number's 18 and up??? shrug

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I disagree with you. YES, we missed out on DT's which were of the number 1 priority for us, but that being said, a football team has multiple positions. You think if you just have good DT's you beat teams like NC State? LOL...there's my jab.. You had PHENOMENAL DT's and lost to a terrible team.

    I love the BTW thing. WHO GIVES A SHIT??? You're right, there's no other schools in Dade and Broward that are any good to recruit from. STA, Central, Northwestern, Carol City, University School, Homestead, Norland, etc etc etc...

    Recruiting your home base is important, yes, but finished 17th with limited scholarships and visits. That's a BIG win to me.

    Don't worry, Khiari Clark is ours next year or do you want us to sign 18 5 star DT's to fulfill our requirement???

    You just hate us cause were Miami. If this were flipped, I would say FSU did damn good. Look how I defended how you did earlier in this thread. I thought you guys had a GREAT class and rightfully so. To say Miami was the biggest loser is ridiculous. If that's the case, then what's said for number's 18 and up??? shrug

    #'s 18 and up don't sit on the best real estate in america for talent

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    It is to a degree, but other sites rank it much worse and the bottom line is Miami missed on many prospects

    Only signed 4 kids from the south florida area which is downright insane and something I never thought I would see

    And the DL needs weren't addressed at all

    With almost certain scholarship reductions in the future, Miami needs to stop missing on big name talent from its own backyard.... plain and simple

    If I was a Miami fan calling this class a disaster wouldn't even describe it, although I would be happy that they landed some studs it wouldn't outweigh the fact they missed on many others that they shouldn't of imo

    The best part of Miami's class imo is they likely found a QB for the future and he doesn't have to come in and start right away, this was huge and at the very worst will at least guarantee the fact Miami won't be too terrible moving forward for a QB is a very important position obviously

    If Olsen doesn't pan out, then we are looking at possibly the worst Miami recruiting class of all time

    One thing I can say as I've seen him live twice is Olsen is a stud. He's REALLY slow, but he can chuck it like no other when he's healthy and I saw him his junior year.

    But here's my biggest question, what kids from the Miami area should we have gotten? Was it a down year in south florida??? Ok, Bostwick, Collins, Thomas, Kirkland, Rashard Robinson?, Mackensie Alexander?, not sure who else.... It doesn't seem to me like the rest of the country raided south florida this year. I could be wrong, but I dunno...

    I'm probably not so sure bc I don't follow kids that Miami doesn't offer, so there could be a whole boat load out there...

    CoachGomez214

  • NoVaNoles said...

    #'s 18 and up don't sit on the best real estate in america for talent

    This is true. Good point. btw, do you sleep, bro???

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    This is true. Good point. btw, do you sleep, bro???

    He waits

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  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    This is true. Good point. btw, do you sleep, bro???

    Sometimes, not often

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Sometimes, not often

    As I begin my parting ways here on the board, I do have to admit as Nova once said, "I run this bitch."

    bow

    You got a serious wealth of information. Your opinion at times is azzinine, but hey, you make the board here and not the other slap happys...

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    One thing I can say as I've seen him live twice is Olsen is a stud. He's REALLY slow, but he can chuck it like no other when he's healthy and I saw him his junior year.

    But here's my biggest question, what kids from the Miami area should we have gotten? Was it a down year in south florida??? Ok, Bostwick, Collins, Thomas, Kirkland, Rashard Robinson?, Mackensie Alexander?, not sure who else.... It doesn't seem to me like the rest of the country raided south florida this year. I could be wrong, but I dunno...

    I'm probably not so sure bc I don't follow kids that Miami doesn't offer, so there could be a whole boat load out there...

    The list is long

    But mostly the kids you mentioned, and Bryant should have been all Canes based on needs and the fact you shouldn't let the top kids get away, some will always get away..... but 6 or 7+ is too many

    Golden made a lot of mistakes this past year, my favorite is making Alexander " earn " his offer which was stupid and pissed him off.... and I loved how he showed up to camp, dominated and then walked out without talking to your staff and then never talked to Miami again

    Kirkland wasn't a huge miss imo but here is how I view the others

    Thomas = best LB to come out of south florida in awhile, lost him to instate rival

    Collins = needed an elite back to compliment Duke, replaced him with a FB from New York... ouch!

    Bostwick = without question the best DT in Florida, and the country imo.... lost him last second to instate rival

    Bryant = a very good DT who you lost to instate rival

    Robinson = very good DB, lost to the SEC without much of a fight despite trying to get a foot in the door late ? where the hell was Miami's staff all year on this one ? nobody knows

    Bosa = didn't even get serious looks from this kid

    These are some serious misses by Miami, and its a no brainer Golden revamped his staff to address the misses in south florida

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    The list is long

    But mostly the kids you mentioned, and Bryant should have been all Canes based on needs and the fact you shouldn't let the top kids get away, some will always get away..... but 6 or 7+ is too many

    Golden made a lot of mistakes this past year, my favorite is making Alexander " earn " his offer which was stupid and pissed him off.... and I loved how he showed up to camp, dominated and then walked out without talking to your staff and then never talked to Miami again

    Kirkland wasn't a huge miss imo but here is how I view the others

    Thomas = best LB to come out of south florida in awhile, lost him to instate rival

    Collins = needed an elite back to compliment Duke, replaced him with a FB from New York... ouch!

    Bostwick = without question the best DT in Florida, and the country imo.... lost him last second to instate rival

    Bryant = a very good DT who you lost to instate rival

    Robinson = very good DB, lost to the SEC without much of a fight despite trying to get a foot in the door late ? where the hell was Miami's staff all year on this one ? nobody knows

    Bosa = didn't even get serious looks from this kid

    These are some serious misses by Miami, and its a no brainer Golden revamped his staff to address the misses in south florida

    yeah, the gus edwards thing is awful. Look, my apartment stares at the Statue of Liberty and past that is Staten Island and I can SMELL how bad the football is there. I mean, it's downright horrid, so Edwards is no win in that situation.

    So confused about the Bosa thing... Why didn't they offer him and his little brother is the white version of Reggie white. So WTF???

    Bostwick pissed me off. I think if we just got Bosa and Bostwick I would've been happy... but Nova in your opinion, if we landed what we missed, where would our class rank?

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    yeah, the gus edwards thing is awful. Look, my apartment stares at the Statue of Liberty and past that is Staten Island and I can SMELL how bad the football is there. I mean, it's downright horrid, so Edwards is no win in that situation.

    So confused about the Bosa thing... Why didn't they offer him and his little brother is the white version of Reggie white. So WTF???

    Bostwick pissed me off. I think if we just got Bosa and Bostwick I would've been happy... but Nova in your opinion, if we landed what we missed, where would our class rank?

    probably top 5, top 10 at worst but it would have been a very sick class

    Would have had a few 5 stars and sured up every need on top of stacking other positions with talent which Miami used to be famous for

    I remember when talents like Frank Gore and Sean Taylor were the 3rd and 4th string guys coming in as freshman, now freshman FB's from Staten Island are coming in and competing right away for the #2 spot at RB

    Its just weird for me to see Miami is the state they are in, its getting really bad and the potential for things to get worse are still hanging around for now

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 2/10/2013 at 7:35 AM

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