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Why Have the 4 California AQ's dominated the Southern Region?


  • California has 4 AQ schools, they are Stanford, CAL, UCLA, and USC. ITT I will refer to them as the Ca. AQ 4.

    Currently, there are 14 SEC members, 12 ACC members, plus Louisville and South Florida in the Big East (although U of L & USF have never played any of the Ca. AQ 4)
    Those totals equal 28 AQ teams, in what I'll refer to as the "Southern Region AQ."

    Historically, the Ca. AQ 4 have dominated the Southern Region AQ schools.
    The Ca. AQ 4 leads the all-time series
    94-64-8 (59%) including ......
    54-37-5 (59%) in games between winning teams.

    Over the last decade plus, the Ca. AQ 4 have been more dominate than ever vs the South.
    Since 2000, the Ca. AQ 4 are
    22-6 (79%) including....
    14-4 (78%) in games between winning teams.

    The average score of these 28 games since 2000 =
    Ca. AQ 4........ 34.8 avg ppg.
    Southern AQ...20.6 avg ppg.
    The avg. margin of victory for USC, UCLA, CAL, and Stanford vs the Southern AQ
    was a gigantic 14.2 ppg.

    At first I thought the Ca. AQ 4 maybe had benefited from a friendly schedule against bad teams.
    But that wasn't the case. 20 of the 28 Southern AQ teams played had winning seasons and they
    were able to win approx 60% of all other games they played. That win pct. of 60 dropped to just 21%
    against the Ca. AQ 4.

    I work with a guy who is from Alabama. He's a real nice guy and he loves him some Roll Tide.
    Real easy going guy, everyone calls him Bama. When he saw this, he asked me the following question.

    "Why do you think the California schools have dominated the South like that? I always thought it was
    the other way around." (Btw- yes, he was quick to remind me that Bama was 5-2 all-time vs SC)

    So what does tBB think? Help me answer my friend's question. Why has California dominated the South?
    Is it the home grown talent? The coaching? The water?

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • I am hungry as hell, not sure what I'm going to eat though

    MarylandDawg

  • The only thing I know for sure is that the Ca. AQ4 would behind Bama, Florida, aTm, LSU and Georgia this year. Fact.

    getmyjive11

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  • I told my friend that it was probably 3 things

    1 - The talent pool in California is rich. More NFL HOF'ers, NFL 1st Rd Draft Picks and Current NFL players than any other state.

    2- Coaching has probably been a factor. Coaches like McKay, Walsh, Vermeil, Robinson, and of late Harbaugh and Carroll have all had success in the NFL. Compare that to the coaches in the south like Spurrier, Saban, or a guy like Petrino, who have only been able to win in college.

    3- I told him perhaps the southern boys are intimidated by the way football players on the best coast are able to play smash mouth hard nosed football and still mix in some offense at the same time.

    Finally, I told him, I think it just comes down to the huge advantage the fans give our teams here in Cali as compared to the south. Like the 31,000 crazed maniacs that packed Stanford's stadium for the PAC CCG
    win over UCLA. Rabid fan bases.

    I got a good laugh out of him with the last one.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • MarylandDawg said...

    I am hungry as hell, not sure what I'm going to eat though

    I say go big and have a California Roll

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • bhiley77 said...

    4 - I threw in the ACC and Louisville

    Nope, 64-44-7 vs past and current members of the SEC. (Still 59% wins)
    And by past I mean Tulane & GaTech, but I only counted the games
    that were played against Tulane up until the mid 60's when they left the SEC, nothing after that.

    No games were played vs Miss State, Ole Miss, and Kentucky.
    Also no games vs Louisville or USF.

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 12/20/2012 at 9:08 AM

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • bhiley77 said...

    You're right, I shouldn't have said that. The PAC is clearly a better conference then the SEC and we just benefit from E$PN bias. Neither of the two teams playing in the sham BCSCG played Cal, so we don't really know how good they are.

    54-37-5 all-time in games between teams with winning seasons.

    30 games above .500 overall all-time

    22-6 since 2000.

    Southerners, feel free to call USC, UCLA, or Stanford your Daddy. Or Master if you prefer.
    As for Cal, kinda just had to bring them along for the ride because they are family,
    like the little brother that won't stop bothering you and your older friends to play ball.

    Now, If we could only get those Pacific Northwest hippie schools to put down the space cookies
    long enough that they learn how to ride this California Freedom train that's been doing non-stop
    round trip victory laps of thorough domination into the deep south year after year.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • LSU hasn't lost to a pac school since 1979.. Don't count us in this crap

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  • Lol @ this guys definition of "domination",

    60%?

    Weak, weak attempt.

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    WillyDees

  • WillyDees said...

    Lol @ this guys definition of "domination",

    60%?

    Weak, weak attempt.

    22-6 is 79% . There you go - Feel better?

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 12/20/2012 at 7:50 PM

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Girl you need to bend over for your boyfriend.

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  • for one thing, those 4 stand on usc's record for the most part. at least with the sec.

    1. USC (22-11-1)--0.66176
    2. Stanford (4-2-1)--0.64286
    3. UCLA (17-14-4)--0.54286
    4. California (9-11-1)--0.45238

    stanford has a good win%, but can you really say that's dominating? ucla is ok, and cal is sub .500.

    those 3 are standing on usc for being dominant (as would all but a handful of teams across the country)

    same as au, arky and a&m hanging on coattails of lsu vs the pac 10.

    au has a good win%, but few games. (7-3)

    a&m is right at .500. (14-15) (that means close for those who would like to know)

    and arky is sub .500. (4-6-1)

    but lsu is 22-4.

    put them together and they've won 60%+. but it's all because of lsu.

    i choose those 4 cause i was trying to get something similar to the 4 you chose. the better teams from same division. i swapped out bama for a&m, which made it more favorable for the pac, and also cause the records are more comparable.

    was going to use the alabama and miss 4, but somehow ole miss has never played a pac12 team.

    it's the same thing with the acc, btw.

    USC (23-10-0)--0.69697 - dominant
    UCLA (17-14-0)--0.54839 - not bad, not great
    California (12-12-1)--0.50000 - what can you say
    Stanford (9-10-0)--0.47368 - sub .500

    This post was edited by theharbinater on 12/20/2012 at 11:26 AM

    theharbinater

  • theharbinater said...

    for one thing, those 4 stand on usc's record for the most part. at least with the sec.

    1. USC (22-11-1)--0.66176 2. Stanford (4-2-1)--0.64286 3. UCLA (17-14-4)--0.54286 4. California (9-11-1)--0.45238

    stanford has a good win%, but can you really say that's dominating? ucla is ok, and cal is sub .500.

    those 3 are standing on usc for being dominant (as would all but a handful of teams across the country)

    same as au, arky and a&m hanging on coattails of lsu vs the pac 10.

    au has a good win%, but few games.

    a&m is right at .500. (14-15)

    and arky is sub .500.

    but lsu is 22-4.

    put them together and they've won 60%+. but it's all because of lsu.

    i choose those 4 cause i was trying to get something similar to the 4 you chose. the better teams from same division. i swapped out bama for a&m, which made it more favorable for the pac, and also cause the records are more comparable.

    was going to use the alabama and miss 4, but somehow ole miss has never played a pac12 team.

    it's the same thing with the acc, btw.

    USC (23-10-0)--0.69697 - dominant UCLA (17-14-0)--0.54839 - not bad, not great California (12-12-1)--0.50000 - what can you say Stanford (9-10-0)--0.47368 - sub .500

    The only thing I got from this entire thread, is that a&m is not right at .500 with a 14-15 record. They would actually be under .500

    What is everyone talking about though?

    Bills2

  • Bills2 said...

    The only thing I got from this entire thread, is that a&m is not right at .500 with a 14-15 record. They would actually be under .500

    What is everyone talking about though?

    "right at" as a figure of speech meaning close. bad habit of mine.

    i didn't have the records on there at first, and went back and put them on after. also somehow forgot au and arky's, will edit.

    would close be better for you?

    point is they would all be hanging on lsu's coattails, dispite the fact that combined they'd have a good win%, cause it would all be because lsu.

    This post was edited by theharbinater on 12/20/2012 at 11:26 AM

    theharbinater

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    22-6 is 79% . They're you go - Feel better ?

    I'd feel better if you knew how to properly use an apostrophe.

    Revisit your numbers against current SEC members. 59%

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    WillyDees

  • theharbinater said...

    "right at" as a figure of speech meaning close. bad habit of mine.

    i didn't have the records on there at first, and went back and put them on after. also somehow forgot au and arky's, will edit.

    would close be better for you?

    point is they would all be hanging on lsu's coattails, dispite the fact that combined they'd have a good win%, cause it would all be because lsu.

    Just giving crap.

    Like this thread, I don't think the majority of my posts should be taken to serious.

    Bills2

  • theharbinater said...

    for one thing, those 4 stand on usc's record for the most part. at least with the sec.

    1. USC (22-11-1)--0.66176 2. Stanford (4-2-1)--0.64286 3. UCLA (17-14-4)--0.54286 4. California (9-11-1)--0.45238

    stanford has a good win%, but can you really say that's dominating? ucla is ok, and cal is sub .500.

    those 3 are standing on usc for being dominant (as would all but a handful of teams across the country)

    same as au, arky and a&m hanging on coattails of lsu vs the pac 10.

    au has a good win%, but few games. (7-3)

    a&m is right at .500. (14-15) (that means close for those who would like to know)

    and arky is sub .500. (4-6-1)

    but lsu is 22-4.

    put them together and they've won 60%+. but it's all because of lsu.

    i choose those 4 cause i was trying to get something similar to the 4 you chose. the better teams from same division. i swapped out bama for a&m, which made it more favorable for the pac, and also cause the records are more comparable.

    was going to use the alabama and miss 4, but somehow ole miss has never played a pac12 team.

    it's the same thing with the acc, btw.

    USC (23-10-0)--0.69697 - dominant UCLA (17-14-0)--0.54839 - not bad, not great California (12-12-1)--0.50000 - what can you say Stanford (9-10-0)--0.47368 - sub .500

    .700 win percentage is riding coat tails?

    LOL

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  • WillyDees said...

    Lol @ this guys definition of "domination",

    60%?

    Weak, weak attempt.


    So you wouldn't feel dominated by your opponent if you had won only 64 times out of 166 games?

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • SC's record vs Bama again?

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    Macdaddy7930

  • Here is a little breakdown of the numbers.

    Match-Ups Between Elite Teams
    (Elite=75% or better season win %)
    ===========================
    Ca AQ 4 (18-9-3) 65% 30 games
    ===========================

    Home & Away
    Ca. AQ 4 vs Southern AQ
    =====================
    43-19-2 home (69%) 68g
    31-33-4 away (49%) 68g
    20-12-2 neutral(62%) 34g
    =====================
    94-64-8 overall (59%) 166g
    ----------------------------------
    Ca. AQ 4 won 66% of their
    home and neutral site games.

    Avg. Score/Margin of Victory
    ------------------------------------
    California AQ.....21.5 ppg
    Southern AQ......17.9 ppg
    ====================
    CA AQ +3.6 PPG MOV
    ====================

    Out of the 166 games, 110 were match-ups between either
    2 winning teams or 2 losing teams(relatively even match-ups)
    ===============================================
    Ca AQ 4 (54-37-5) 59% between winning teams.
    Ca AQ 4 (10-4-0) 71% between losing teams.
    Ca AQ 4 (64-41-5) 60% overall in even match-ups.

    The other 56 games, were split. Each played 28 games
    vs the other with a heavy advantage as a team that had
    a winning season vs a team that finished .500 or below.
    ============================================
    Ca AQ 4 (26-2-0) 93%
    South AQ (21-4-3) 80%
    ===================

    In games between winning teams only
    every Ca. school had a winning record.
    ===============================
    USC (23-13-0) 64%
    UCLA (15-11-4) 57%
    CAL (9-7-0) 56%
    Stanford (7-6-1) 54%
    ==================
    Ca AQ 4 (54-37-5) 59%

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Here is a little breakdown of the numbers.

    Match-Ups Between Elite Teams (Elite=75% or better season win %) =========================== Ca AQ 4 (18-9-3) 65% 30 games ===========================

    Home & Away Ca. AQ 4 vs Southern AQ ===================== 43-19-2 home (69%) 68g 31-33-4 away (49%) 68g 20-12-2 neutral(62%) 34g ===================== 94-64-8 overall (59%) 166g ---------------------------------- Ca. AQ 4 won 66% of their home and neutral site games.

    Avg. Score/Margin of Victory ------------------------------------ California AQ.....21.5 ppg Southern AQ......17.9 ppg ==================== CA AQ +3.6 PPG MOV ====================

    Out of the 166 games, 110 were match-ups between either 2 winning teams or 2 losing teams(relatively even match-ups) =============================================== Ca AQ 4 (54-37-5) 59% between winning teams. Ca AQ 4 (10-4-0) 71% between losing teams. Ca AQ 4 (64-41-5) 60% overall in even match-ups.

    The other 56 games, were split. Each played 28 games vs the other with a heavy advantage as a team that had a winning season vs a team that finished .500 or below. ============================================ Ca AQ 4 (26-2-0) 93% South AQ (21-4-3) 80% ===================

    In games between winning teams only every Ca. school had a winning record. =============================== USC (23-13-0) 64% UCLA (15-11-4) 57% CAL (9-7-0) 56% Stanford (7-6-1) 54% ================== Ca AQ 4 (54-37-5) 59%

    Holy crap, no one cares! I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is pathetic. This year, your Cali teams stink and would do no better than 6th in the SEC. That's really all that matters. I don't see Army fans coming on here and beating their chests about the past.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Holy crap, no one cares! I don't have a dog in this fight, but this is pathetic. This year, your Cali teams stink and would do no better than 6th in the SEC. That's really all that matters. I don't see Army fans coming on here and beating their chests about the past.

    If it bothers you that much, don't read it. This is a board to discuss college football. This is a thread about the all-time history between California and the South on the gridiron.

    Some people might like to know the truth that the mess they talk here on tBB about SEC speed and SEC Defense, is just a myth, and don't mean ishh to the big 4 in California. It's just fact, the big California 4 have dominated the schools that primarily comprise the OG's from the Southern Conference (SEC/ACC teams)

    The only thing pathetic is the former leadership at your school and how some of you defend still defend that POS Paterno and anyone else that helped cover up for that sick scumbag Sandusky.

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 12/20/2012 at 11:02 PM

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • bhiley77 said...

    I remember Cal splitting a home-and-home with Tennessee recently, auburn losing a series to USC in 03/04, and Bama losing to UCLA in 99/00. Other then that, I can't really remember the SEC and California teams ever playing in the past decade. The best PAC team is Oregon which lost to the SEC in '10 and '11. This guy's strange flat-earth obsession with the SEC would be kind of fun if he was just trolling, but he believes every strange word of his claims.

    Here since you are having trouble remembering

    Since 2000 - CA vs Current SEC teams
    ===============================
    UCLA 35, Alabama 24
    UCLA 20, @Alabama 17
    USC 24, Auburn 17
    USC 23 @Auburn 0
    Cal 45, Tennessee 31 (Tenn-SEC East Champs)
    @Tennessee 35, Cal 18
    Cal 45, Texas A&M 10
    UCLA 27, Tennessee 24
    UCLA 19, @Tennessee 15
    USC 70, Arkansas 17
    USC 50, @Arkansas 14 (Ark-SEC West Champs)
    =======================================
    CA (10-1) 91%

    Avg Game Score
    CA - 34.2 ppg
    SEC- 18.5 ppg
    =================
    CA MOV = +15.7 ppg

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • I don't care.. LSU absolutely has owned the Pac the last 30 years

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