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Why are people so high on Stanford?

  • For everyone so high on Stanford, why do you feel that way? For one, their showing against an average at best Wisconsin team makes me wonder. Now, I don't put a ton of stock in bowl games, but I would have also thought that Wisconsin would be a team that would completely play to Stanford's stengths as well.

    Also, they lose 80% of their carries from the RB position, 88% of their receiving yards, 6 of their top 9 tacklers, 6 of their top 7 tacklers behind the LOS, and 8 of their top 9 sack guys.

    For a team that relied on their running game, TE's, and front 7, they are just about all gone completely.

    I like them a lot and think the program is in great shape, but I think next year could be a bit of a growing year for them as well. They have a great foundation to build on with their QB and the youth of their OL, but at the skill positions and alond the defensive front, everyone is just about gone. This was one of the more veteran teams in the country. To me, they had the perfect storm this season, minus a veteran QB. If Luck would have been there, we would probably be watching #1 Stanford vs. #2 Alabama Monday night.

    Love what Carr is doing out there, but I just think some people haven't looked to see what the roster will look like next year along with their schedule.

    OOC- @Army, San Jose St, and Notre Dame

    Army and San Jose St are wins, but I feel Notre Dame is probably a loss, IMO.

    They have a tough draw in conference, with probably the 3 toughest teams from the South in USC, UCLA, and Arizona St (Arizona could be in that mix with some improvement on defense of course).

    Home PAC schedule- ASU, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Washington
    Away PAC schedule- OSU, USC, Utah, Washington St.

    Oregon and UCLA will be tough wins. ASU, Washington, and OSU won't be pushovers either. USC may be down, but who knows what they will look like actually and at Utah isn't a given either.

    I could easily see an 8-4 season being the median for them with 7-5 or 9-3 possibilities as well, but I just don't see 10 or 11 wins next year for them.

    BetterOff ●

  • They squeaked by a bad Wisconsin team that shouldn't have been there.

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  • USMCAG said...

    They squeaked by a bad Wisconsin team that shouldn't have been there.

    I don't even care so much about that. Wisconsin was very hungry and wanted to do well for Alvarez, IMO.

    I just look at what Stanford won't have next year. Very solid program that will probably be top 10 worthy again, but just not next year, IMO.

    BetterOff ●

  • It's because everybody wants to jump on board the new hot team and people have an admiration for Stanford by the way they do it. I believe it's the 3rd or 4th best academic institution in the country and for a school like that to play solid football draws interest from people who want to do it the right way so to speak.

    I would put them at around 12 or 15 to start next year.

    CoachGomez214 ●

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    It's because everybody wants to jump on board the new hot team and people have an admiration for Stanford by the way they do it. I believe it's the 3rd or 4th best academic institution in the country and for a school like that to play solid football draws interest from people who want to do it the right way so to speak.

    I would put them at around 12 or 15 to start next year.

    That's where I would put them at the moment, but I also think as the offseason goes, you'll see them a little further down around 15-20 maybe. I agree with you to why people are jumping on board and I don't have a problem with that. I just wonder if those same people have actually looked to what they will have back next season. The argument that look what they did after loosing Luck doesn't work for me either, as they had everyone except him coming back. Luck was a great QB, but this season, people saw how good that team was as a whole.

    Carr will have a good run there as long as he is there, but there will be a drop off for one season.

    BetterOff ●

  • BetterOff said...

    That's where I would put them at the moment, but I also think as the offseason goes, you'll see them a little further down around 15-20 maybe. I agree with you to why people are jumping on board and I don't have a problem with that. I just wonder if those same people have actually looked to what they will have back next season. The argument that look what they did after loosing Luck doesn't work for me either, as they had everyone except him coming back. Luck was a great QB, but this season, people saw how good that team was as a whole.

    Carr will have a good run there as long as he is there, but there will be a drop off for one season.

    I'm sorry, do you mean David Shaw? I think they lose too much as well. Hogan is a stud, but they're losing too many to replace. 15-20 seems more accurate, but the popular vote will push them up to 12-15 IMO...

    CoachGomez214 ●

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I'm sorry, do you mean David Shaw? I think they lose too much as well. Hogan is a stud, but they're losing too many to replace. 15-20 seems more accurate, but the popular vote will push them up to 12-15 IMO...

    Heard they are losing their OC this year.... that might hurt whistling

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  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Wisconsin lost 4 games in OT & the other by 3 points. They aren't near as bad as their record indicates. (like UF isn't nearly as good) Bama wouldn't want any of Stanford. Not saying they lose... but not sayin they win.

    Stanford wouldn't really scare me honestly. Not a knock on them at all. We just do what they do better. With our team this year, if a team like Oregon or aTm (of course) is hitting on all cylinders on offense, it would scare me.

    BetterOff ●

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    I'm sorry, do you mean David Shaw? I think they lose too much as well. Hogan is a stud, but they're losing too many to replace. 15-20 seems more accurate, but the popular vote will push them up to 12-15 IMO...

    Of course I meant Shaw. I had David Carr in my head for some reason.

    BetterOff ●

  • DCHokie88156655 said...

    Heard they are losing their OC this year.... that might hurt whistling

    I don't worry about that as much either. Shaw is a great coach and will get more great coaches. They have a great program going that should be very attractive to assistants looking to make the leap to a HC job or an OC job in the NFL.

    BetterOff ●

  • BetterOff said...

    That's where I would put them at the moment, but I also think as the offseason goes, you'll see them a little further down around 15-20 maybe. I agree with you to why people are jumping on board and I don't have a problem with that. I just wonder if those same people have actually looked to what they will have back next season. The argument that look what they did after loosing Luck doesn't work for me either, as they had everyone except him coming back. Luck was a great QB, but this season, people saw how good that team was as a whole.

    Carr will have a good run there as long as he is there, but there will be a drop off for one season.

    Typical SEC bias. The Standford Cardinals will roll next season. Carr will make sure there's no drop off.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    Typical SEC bias. The Standford Cardinals will roll next season. Carr will make sure there's no drop off.

    lol A$$ HAT!

    Going to above the head of many though I am afraid!

    BetterOff ●

  • Wisconsin and the BIG are better than people give them credit for this year. Say what you want about the record, but we had to go through a lot of coaching turnover including in season. Ultimately the biggest factor in losing those close games was QB or lack there of. we went through 3 shitty QB's this year. I guess at the same time that is a factor in whether we are good or not. Still as whole we can compete with anyone. Our achillies is a big one. It also didn't help that Bert Bubbletits was planning his exit strategy. Stanford may not be as "elite" as they are made out to be, but they are a great team that is right where they should be.

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  • BetterOff said...

    lol A$$ HAT!

    Going to above the head of many though I am afraid!

    In reality any butchery of anything Stanford related is thumbsup.

    brem22

  • say what you want to about stanford and wisconsin...i was really impressed the the class shown on the field by both teams. the game was very entertaining and look forward to playing wisconsin in 2015.

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  • dustelli said...

    Wisconsin and the BIG are better than people give them credit for this year. Say what you want about the record, but we had to go through a lot of coaching turnover including in season. Ultimately the biggest factor in losing those close games was QB or lack there of. we went through 3 shitty QB's this year. I guess at the same time that is a factor in whether we are good or not. Still as whole we can compete with anyone. Our achillies is a big one. It also didn't help that Bert Bubbletits was planning his exit strategy. Stanford may not be as "elite" as they are made out to be, but they are a great team that is right where they should be.

    This season, they are exactly where they should be. I agree that Wisconsin is better than they have played at times this year as well.

    My point was basically that next year, people are putting too much stock into Stanford.

    BetterOff ●

  • brem22 said...

    In reality any butchery of anything Stanford related is thumbsup.

    Oh, I know!

    We both have a link to Berkeley.

    This post was edited by BetterOff on 1/3/2013 at 9:10 AM

    BetterOff ●

  • Black Bart said...

    say what you want to about stanford and wisconsin...i was really impressed the the class shown on the field by both teams. the game was very entertaining and look forward to playing wisconsin in 2015.

    Completely agree. I wasn't taking a knock at either. Stanford's program in heading in a great direction, but I just feel they will have a year of rebuilding. I completely expect them to be back in the PAC12 hunt and maybe even more befor Hogan is done.

    BetterOff ●

  • BetterOff said...

    This season, they are exactly where they should be. I agree that Wisconsin is better than they have played at times this year as well.

    My point was basically that next year, people are putting too much stock into Stanford.

    I think that is fair

    dustelli

  • BetterOff said...

    For everyone so high on Stanford, why do you feel that way? For one, their showing against an average at best Wisconsin team makes me wonder. Now, I don't put a ton of stock in bowl games, but I would have also thought that Wisconsin would be a team that would completely play to Stanford's stengths as well.

    Also, they lose 80% of their carries from the RB position, 88% of their receiving yards, 6 of their top 9 tacklers, 6 of their top 7 tacklers behind the LOS, and 8 of their top 9 sack guys.

    For a team that relied on their running game, TE's, and front 7, they are just about all gone completely.

    I like them a lot and think the program is in great shape, but I think next year could be a bit of a growing year for them as well. They have a great foundation to build on with their QB and the youth of their OL, but at the skill positions and alond the defensive front, everyone is just about gone. This was one of the more veteran teams in the country. To me, they had the perfect storm this season, minus a veteran QB. If Luck would have been there, we would probably be watching #1 Stanford vs. #2 Alabama Monday night.

    Love what Carr is doing out there, but I just think some people haven't looked to see what the roster will look like next year along with their schedule.

    OOC- @Army, San Jose St, and Notre Dame

    Army and San Jose St are wins, but I feel Notre Dame is probably a loss, IMO.

    They have a tough draw in conference, with probably the 3 toughest teams from the South in USC, UCLA, and Arizona St (Arizona could be in that mix with some improvement on defense of course).

    Home PAC schedule- ASU, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Washington Away PAC schedule- OSU, USC, Utah, Washington St.

    Oregon and UCLA will be tough wins. ASU, Washington, and OSU won't be pushovers either. USC may be down, but who knows what they will look like actually and at Utah isn't a given either.

    I could easily see an 8-4 season being the median for them with 7-5 or 9-3 possibilities as well, but I just don't see 10 or 11 wins next year for them.


    I thought on Defense they only lose DT T.Stephens and LB Chase Thomas. Who else?

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • rolBAMAballs said...

    I don't care who they have or don't have coming back. They have a great program and system that works. Their physical style of play contrasts the rest of their conference and sets them up nicely for 9-11 regular season wins each year even without top 5 recruiting classes

    They will never have a top 5 class due to their academics. They're top 5 in the ENTIRE country academically.

    CoachGomez214 ●

  • -David Shaw is an up & coming SuperStar Coach. Top 10 coach now....precipice of Top 5

    -Stanfords 2012 OLine Recruiting Class was simply SICK. One of the below OG's will likely play Center.
    Kyle Murphy (OT)- 99 rating
    Andrus Peat (OT)- 96 rating
    Joshua Garnett (OG)- 96 rating
    Graham Shuler (OG)- 94 rating
    Brandon Fanaika (OG)- 92 rating

    By 2014 or 2015 they will be as good as Bama's 2012 OLine. Barry Sanders will have come into his own by that time and their QB will be in his 3rd/4th year at that point

    -They play hard-nosed football and "develop" players. They get max output (high efficiency in terms of player development/maximization) out of their talent. Watch tthe Notre Dame game. That was 2 of the top 4-5 teams in the nation battling.

    -Scheme diverse and can give you a lot of looks due to the cerebral acumen of the players and their ability to absorb more schemes/plays. Sure, you say....heck Duke, and all the Ivy's have high cerebral acumen players and it doesn't do much for them. TRUE....but Stanford is also recruiting very good 3 & 4 star players that have the physical ability to go with the high cerebral acumen

    If Shaw stays at Stanford, I think they win a BCS National Championship by 2016 as the program has maintained even without Harbaugh and Luck and will trend upward....especially once Chip Kelly leaves Oregon for the NFL.

    ******I'd highly recommend any RBs with the aptitude to be admitted to Stanford academically and the talent to be recruited by their football staff......to give them a serious look as that OLine will be NASTY in 2014 & 2015*****

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by BamaBornDukie on 1/3/2013 at 9:29 AM

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I thought on Defense they only lose DT T.Stephens and LB Chase Thomas. Who else?

    Just from their 2-deep along the front 7:

    Skov, Thomas, Brown, Murphy, Gardner, Lancaster, Debniak, Stepehens, and Mauro.

    If you add Amanam (secondary), that's 6/9 top tacklers, 6/7 TFL, and 8/9 sack leaders.

    When their identity on defense has been stopping the run and their pass rush, that's a lot to lose, IMO.

    Don't think they will suck, but more than 8 wins could be a tall order as well.

    BetterOff ●

  • Name to watch on Stanford's defense over the next 2 years......James Vaughters.

    Kevin Durant is moving up in my favorite All-Time Athletes list. Mama raised him right.

    BamaBornDukie

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    -David Shaw is an up & coming SuperStar Coach. Top 10 coach now....precipice of Top 5

    -Stanfords 2012 OLine Recruiting Class was simply SICK. One of the below OG's will likely play Center. Kyle Murphy (OT)- 99 rating Andrus Peat (OT)- 96 rating Joshua Garnett (OG)- 96 rating Graham Shuler (OG)- 94 rating Brandon Fanaika (OG)- 92 rating

    By 2014 or 2015 they will be as good as Bama's 2012 OLine. Barry Sanders will have come into his own by that time and their QB will be in his 3rd/4th year at that point

    -They play hard-nosed football and "develop" players. They get max output (high efficiency in terms of player development/maximization) out of their talent. Watch tthe Notre Dame game. That was 2 of the top 4-5 teams in the nation battling.

    -Scheme diverse and can give you a lot of looks due to the cerebral acumen of the players and their ability to absorb more schemes/plays. Sure, you say....heck Duke, and all the Ivy's have high cerebral acumen players and it doesn't do much for them. TRUE....but Stanford is also recruiting very good 3 & 4 star players that have the physical ability to go with the high cerebral acumen

    If Shaw stays at Stanford, I think they win a BCS National Championship by 2016 as the program has maintained even without Harbaugh and Luck and will trend upward....especially once Chip Kelly leaves Oregon for the NFL.

    Hard to say they will win it, but I would think that they will have some chances to do so beginning in 2014. Next year, there will just be too much youth, IMO. Also, even without Kelly (possibly) Oregon will be very solid next year, along with UCLA, the Arizona schools, Oregon St, and maybe Washington. USC is a wildcard as well. Bad year this year, but the talent level is there to beat anyone.

    The PAC12 is an improving conference and was already pretty good this year. They have upgraded at the coaching position over the year (minus Pete for Lane) and it began to show a lot more this season at times amongst the middle of the pack teams.

    BetterOff ●

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