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Why are people so high on Stanford?

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    They will never have a top 5 class due to their academics. They're top 5 in the ENTIRE country academically.

    Top 10 yes, top 5 no

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    DCHokie88

  • DCHokie88156655 said...

    Heard they are losing their OC this year.... that might hurt whistling

    Is that who you guys are supposed to get?

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  • Good points in this thread. I'm no Stanford hater, but agree that they probably lose too much on the defensive side of the ball to be elite next season.

    My question in the Stanford thread yesterday was never answered. To the board's draft experts: are juniors Cameron Fleming and David Yankey projected to be early draft picks? Both were all-conference on the Stanford OL.

    Adamson651

  • DCHokie88156655 said...

    Top 10 yes, top 5 no

    Top 10 recruiting or academics? I think recruiting they would struggle to get to 15. Academically, they are year in and year out top 5 or 3 in the country.

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    Top 10 recruiting or academics? I think recruiting they would struggle to get to 15. Academically, they are year in and year out top 5 or 3 in the country.

    The range from 4-8 in academic in most categories. Princeton/Yale/Harvard have been on top for a while. Then MIT, U of Chicago, and Columbia have been ahead of Stanford in some as well. I think US News has them 6 or 7 at the moment. Still amazing academics and the only other FBS program almost as high is Duke.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    The range from 4-8 in academic in most categories. Princeton/Yale/Harvard have been on top for a while. Then MIT, U of Chicago, and Columbia have been ahead of Stanford in some as well. I think US News has them 6 or 7 at the moment. Still amazing academics and the only other FBS program almost as high is Duke.

    correct.....they're right in that ballpark.

    CoachGomez214

  • Some teams/guys on the tBB talk about how their school academically is great, but Stanford is a cut above all of those. so to go thru school there is one thing. to go thru school and have a pretty great football team is something to be proud about and to take note of. Especially one that uses a pro set/power type game plan in a run/gun it conference

    I also like their past two coaches. great hard nose football coaches. no cream puff spread crap. line up, beat the man in front of you, pick em up and tell em you'll be right back.

    viper_36

  • BetterOff said...

    Just from their 2-deep along the front 7:

    Skov, Thomas, Brown, Murphy, Gardner, Lancaster, Debniak, Stepehens, and Mauro.

    If you add Amanam (secondary), that's 6/9 top tacklers, 6/7 TFL, and 8/9 sack leaders.

    When their identity on defense has been stopping the run and their pass rush, that's a lot to lose, IMO.

    Don't think they will suck, but more than 8 wins could be a tall order as well.


    Brown, Murphy, Gardner, Lancaster, and Mauro are all Juniors - and so is Amanam

    Unless they are all going to declare for the draft but I would think only Murphy might.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Brown, Murphy, Gardner, Lancaster, and Mauro are all Juniors - and so is Amanam

    Unless they are all going to declare for the draft but I would think only Murphy might.

    The site I am looking at lists them as Seniors.

    Do they do that thing Notre Dame does and award the 5th year at the end?

    BetterOff


  • Stanford only has 10 Seniors total on their roster.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • BetterOff said...

    The site I am looking at lists them as Seniors.

    Do they do that thing Notre Dame does and award the 5th year at the end?


    Hmm, I don't know, maybe the site you are looking at is already projecting next year's status. Stanford's loaded with all these guys coming back. Although the RB Taylor will be hard to replace. He's good - I think he will have
    a nice NFL career.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Hmm, I don't know, maybe the site you are looking at is already projecting next year's status. Stanford's loaded with all these guys coming back. Although the RB Taylor will be hard to replace. He's good - I think he will have a nice NFL career.

    I just checked around and the rest of the teams aren't updated. They must have the same policy as Notre Dame because Hogan is listed as a So and he is definitely a RS Fr.

    Well then, maybe they should be better than I thought. Around #10 or maybe better could sound about right.

    BetterOff

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Hmm, I don't know, maybe the site you are looking at is already projecting next year's status. Stanford's loaded with all these guys coming back. Although the RB Taylor will be hard to replace. He's good - I think he will have a nice NFL career.

    Taylor is a good one. Reminds me of Ray Rice. Should be a great pro.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Taylor is a good one. Reminds me of Ray Rice. Should be a great pro.

    Is that a pic of your girl? bow

    CoachGomez214

  • CoachGomez214591 said...

    Is that a pic of your girl? bow

    No. She's just another one of my coke binge women that I threw to the curb years ago in college when I decided instead to get married and have kids.

    biggrin

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Now, I don't put a ton of stock in bowl games...

    Didn't you justify your assertion that the Big East was as good as the Big 12 because of the Big 12's performance in bowl games? And that I was wrong to go off of the eye test when judging the two conferences?

    As to the OP, because Hogan is good, their OL is dominant and mostly intact, and because Ertz their TE is a JR. And I really like David Shaw.

    I don't see them as a #1 team, but they could be top 10 IMO. They're helped by Kelly most likely leaving and USC having Kiffen as a HC.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Didn't you justify your assertion that the Big East was as good as the Big 12 because of the Big 12's performance in bowl games? And that I was wrong to go off of the eye test when judging the two conferences?

    As to the OP, because Hogan is good, their OL is dominant and mostly intact, and because Ertz their TE is a JR. And I really like David Shaw.

    I don't see them as a #1 team, but they could be top 10 IMO. They're helped by Kelly most likely leaving and USC having Kiffen as a HC.

    Don't remember if I did. When did I do that?

    I think that I may have made the point about a conference as a whole based on bowl performances, but I would judge one team based of it. With conferences, you can have a trend. If there is enough of a trend, it can possibly be true. With single games, I don't look too much into it.

    Take Penn St and OU (as I think you are a fan of both). Last year, Penn St was a wreck going in the bowl season. Easily was a better team than they showed. Look back to the Fiesta Bowl when Boise beat OU. I don't put a lot of stock in one game because so many teams take and prepare for bowl games differently.

    If a conference as a whole goes 6-2 or so than yes, that probably says something. If one goes 2-6 or something like that, likewise. Mainly I don't remember the entire conversation, but that is kind of my philosophy.

    BetterOff

  • BamaBornDukie said...

    -Scheme diverse and can give you a lot of looks due to the cerebral acumen of the players and their ability to absorb more schemes/plays. Sure, you say....heck Duke, and all the Ivy's have high cerebral acumen players and it doesn't do much for them. TRUE....but Stanford is also recruiting very good 3 & 4 star players that have the physical ability to go with the high cerebral acumen

    If Shaw stays at Stanford, I think they win a BCS National Championship by 2016 as the program has maintained even without Harbaugh and Luck and will trend upward....especially once Chip Kelly leaves Oregon for the NFL.

    ******I'd highly recommend any RBs with the aptitude to be admitted to Stanford academically and the talent to be recruited by their football staff......to give them a serious look as that OLine will be NASTY in 2014 & 2015*****

    The intelligence of the average Stanford football player is way overrated. Why I believe that they could very well contend for a title in the next few years, actually.

    And now everyone is overrating Shaw IMO. End of last year up to the middle of this season he was pretty universally considered mediocre (at best). Now he barely beats Whisky and he's a genius. He's still playing with Hairballs' cards, btw.

    brem22

  • BetterOff said...

    Don't remember if I did. When did I do that?

    I think that I may have made the point about a conference as a whole based on bowl performances, but I would judge one team based of it. With conferences, you can have a trend. If there is enough of a trend, it can possibly be true. With single games, I don't look too much into it.

    Take Penn St and OU (as I think you are a fan of both). Last year, Penn St was a wreck going in the bowl season. Easily was a better team than they showed. Look back to the Fiesta Bowl when Boise beat OU. I don't put a lot of stock in one game because so many teams take and prepare for bowl games differently.

    If a conference as a whole goes 6-2 or so than yes, that probably says something. If one goes 2-6 or something like that, likewise. Mainly I don't remember the entire conversation, but that is kind of my philosophy.

    I'll have to go back and find it later on today. I'm driving out to the mountain for my last day of skiing, but when I get a chance I'll look for it.

    I understand, just remembered the equating of the Big 12 and the Big East and thought that was a bit extreme.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    I'll have to go back and find it later on today. I'm driving out to the mountain for my last day of skiing, but when I get a chance I'll look for it.

    I understand, just remembered the equating of the Big 12 and the Big East and thought that was a bit extreme.

    Have fun. A lot of good powder out there this past week or so I hear.

    Little jealous.

    BetterOff

  • Because they beat Oregon. Just like SC last year, an Oregon win will make your season these days.

    wig

  • joetheogre said...

    Is that who you guys are supposed to get?

    fingers crossed, yes.

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    DCHokie88

  • BetterOff said...

    The range from 4-8 in academic in most categories. Princeton/Yale/Harvard have been on top for a while. Then MIT, U of Chicago, and Columbia have been ahead of Stanford in some as well. I think US News has them 6 or 7 at the moment. Still amazing academics and the only other FBS program almost as high is Duke.

    Bingo. Usually range from top 4-10. Still impressive though.

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    DCHokie88

  • BetterOff said...

    For everyone so high on Stanford, why do you feel that way? For one, their showing against an average at best Wisconsin team makes me wonder. Now, I don't put a ton of stock in bowl games, but I would have also thought that Wisconsin would be a team that would completely play to Stanford's stengths as well.

    Also, they lose 80% of their carries from the RB position, 88% of their receiving yards, 6 of their top 9 tacklers, 6 of their top 7 tacklers behind the LOS, and 8 of their top 9 sack guys.

    For a team that relied on their running game, TE's, and front 7, they are just about all gone completely.

    I like them a lot and think the program is in great shape, but I think next year could be a bit of a growing year for them as well. They have a great foundation to build on with their QB and the youth of their OL, but at the skill positions and alond the defensive front, everyone is just about gone. This was one of the more veteran teams in the country. To me, they had the perfect storm this season, minus a veteran QB. If Luck would have been there, we would probably be watching #1 Stanford vs. #2 Alabama Monday night.

    Love what Carr is doing out there, but I just think some people haven't looked to see what the roster will look like next year along with their schedule.

    OOC- @Army, San Jose St, and Notre Dame

    Army and San Jose St are wins, but I feel Notre Dame is probably a loss, IMO.

    They have a tough draw in conference, with probably the 3 toughest teams from the South in USC, UCLA, and Arizona St (Arizona could be in that mix with some improvement on defense of course).

    Home PAC schedule- ASU, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Washington
    Away PAC schedule- OSU, USC, Utah, Washington St.

    Oregon and UCLA will be tough wins. ASU, Washington, and OSU won't be pushovers either. USC may be down, but who knows what they will look like actually and at Utah isn't a given either.

    I could easily see an 8-4 season being the median for them with 7-5 or 9-3 possibilities as well, but I just don't see 10 or 11 wins next year for them.

    I'm impressed with Stanford because it would be like Vandy playing in BcS games and sustaining success.

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  • DCHokie88156655 said...

    fingers crossed, yes.

    South Carolina fans are hoping for the same thing. We love Elliott

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