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Why are people so high on Stanford?

  • I think the big reason people love Stanford is that you can actually understand their players during an interview. Any player, doesn't matter who. They all can do simple thing like enunciate.

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  • joetheogre said...

    South Carolina fans are hoping for the same thing. We love Elliott

    Haha we've heard that rumor too. The guys here, JC and our Mod say its not true but who knows what is really going on. The other one we've hear a lot recently that may be of interest to you is Mangus. You guys like him?

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  • DCHokie88156655 said...

    Haha we've heard that rumor too. The guys here, JC and our Mod say its not true but who knows what is really going on. The other one we've hear a lot recently that may be of interest to you is Mangus. You guys like him?

    Yeah I think he's great too. Mangus, Elliott, and Ward (our DC) are by far our three best recruiters and assistants. Losing any of them would set us back.

    Mangus is a great QB evaluator, he just got into trouble about a year and a half ago and hasn't been allowed to get a raise by the school since then. I think that probation is up this year though.

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  • joetheogre said...

    Yeah I think he's great too. Mangus, Elliott, and Ward (our DC) are by far our three best recruiters and assistants. Losing any of them would set us back.

    Mangus is a great QB evaluator, he just got into trouble about a year and a half ago and hasn't been allowed to get a raise by the school since then. I think that probation is up this year though.

    Yeah someone raised that point. I like Mangus, just read his Bio and he is a stud QB coach and looks like he has some good experience as a OC.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Have fun. A lot of good powder out there this past week or so I hear.

    Little jealous.

    It was a good week. Powder was a little low this year, but the back bowls were awesome as usual.

    Turns out I misremembered the thread I mentioned earlier, you used OOC, not bowl games. My apologies.

    This post was edited by Texas Lion on 1/4/2013 at 4:18 PM

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  • BetterOff said...

    For everyone so high on Stanford, why do you feel that way? For one, their showing against an average at best Wisconsin team makes me wonder. Now, I don't put a ton of stock in bowl games, but I would have also thought that Wisconsin would be a team that would completely play to Stanford's stengths as well.

    Also, they lose 80% of their carries from the RB position, 88% of their receiving yards, 6 of their top 9 tacklers, 6 of their top 7 tacklers behind the LOS, and 8 of their top 9 sack guys.

    For a team that relied on their running game, TE's, and front 7, they are just about all gone completely.

    I like them a lot and think the program is in great shape, but I think next year could be a bit of a growing year for them as well. They have a great foundation to build on with their QB and the youth of their OL, but at the skill positions and alond the defensive front, everyone is just about gone. This was one of the more veteran teams in the country. To me, they had the perfect storm this season, minus a veteran QB. If Luck would have been there, we would probably be watching #1 Stanford vs. #2 Alabama Monday night.

    Love what Carr is doing out there, but I just think some people haven't looked to see what the roster will look like next year along with their schedule.

    OOC- @Army, San Jose St, and Notre Dame

    Army and San Jose St are wins, but I feel Notre Dame is probably a loss, IMO.

    They have a tough draw in conference, with probably the 3 toughest teams from the South in USC, UCLA, and Arizona St (Arizona could be in that mix with some improvement on defense of course).

    Home PAC schedule- ASU, Cal, Oregon, UCLA, Washington Away PAC schedule- OSU, USC, Utah, Washington St.

    Oregon and UCLA will be tough wins. ASU, Washington, and OSU won't be pushovers either. USC may be down, but who knows what they will look like actually and at Utah isn't a given either.

    I could easily see an 8-4 season being the median for them with 7-5 or 9-3 possibilities as well, but I just don't see 10 or 11 wins next year for them.

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  • Said it earlier in this thread.....Stanford wins the National Championship by 2015/16 if Shaw stays in town.

    I made a similar prediction about Bama in 2007 [after Bama went 7-6 in 2007]....bet my buddy at work big bucks that Bama would win the National Title by 2012 season. He laughed and said I was an idiot. He's a Michigan St. alum and despises Saban. Fast forward to today and Bama may have 3 [instead of 1] title over the timeframe for our wager.

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  • brem22 said...

    Typical SEC bias. The Standford Cardinals will roll next season. Carr will make sure there's no drop off.

    To do what they have done, with their academic standards is phenomenal.

    Any one can field a great team filled with 10 cent brains and the barely literate, but to do what Stanford has done with their uncompromising academic standards for acceptance - which includes it's athletes, is head and shoulders the most impressive top 10 team in CFB.

    If people can not recognize that and admire it.....well you belong in the 10cent brain class.

    This is so much more than on the field results.

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  • Stanford is a smart team who relies on execution so they don't necessarily need the elite recruiting classes to be successful. My concern about them next year is that they're losing a lot if production and leadership so I think the speculated top 5 rating is too high.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    To do what they have done, with their academic standards is phenomenal.

    Any one can field a great team filled with 10 cent brains and the barely literate, but to do what Stanford has done with their uncompromising academic standards for acceptance - which includes it's athletes, is head and shoulders the most impressive top 10 team in CFB.

    If people can not recognize that and admire it.....well you belong in the 10cent brain class.

    This is so much more than on the field results.

    Guess we're chop liver over here shrug

    Atleast they get to be in Cali and not BFE Indiana.

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  • Tidepride30 said...

    I'm impressed with Stanford because it would be like Vandy playing in BcS games and sustaining success.

    Vandy is on par with Notre Dame, Stanford is on a whole other level. Elite of the elite.

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  • SCirish843 said...

    Stanford is a smart team who relies on execution so they don't necessarily need the elite recruiting classes to be successful. My concern about them next year is that they're losing a lot if production and leadership so I think the speculated top 5 rating is too high.

    Outside of Taylor, what do they lose?

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  • SCirish843 said...

    Guess we're chop liver over here shrug

    Atleast they get to be in Cali and not BFE Indiana.

    Of course you're not "chopped liver", Domers are not alone there, but most of the good to prestigious academic universities make academic allowances for athletes. Stanford does not.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Vandy is on par with Notre Dame, Stanford is on a whole other level. Elite of the elite.

    Agreed......

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Outside of Taylor, what do they lose?

    Starting WR, 2 of the top 5 best TEs in the country, starting center, best defender, and the NT which is the hardest position to recruit. They do return 9 of 11 on defense though...it's just it's a big 2 to lose.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Agreed......

    So.... we bring up another point, Bama is basically playing a university on par with Vanderbilt, the academic gem of the SEC.

    Better kill the Irish, 'cause they can always fall back on their "we're an academic powerhouse, not a football factory" mantra.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Said it earlier in this thread.....Stanford wins the National Championship by 2015/16 if Shaw stays in town.

    I made a similar prediction about Bama in 2007 [after Bama went 7-6 in 2007]....bet my buddy at work big bucks that Bama would win the National Title by 2012 season. He laughed and said I was an idiot. He's a Michigan St. alum and despises Saban. Fast forward to today and Bama may have 3 [instead of 1] title over the timeframe for our wager.

    You predicted Saban would win a championship at Bama? That was a stretch.

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  • SCirish843 said...

    Starting WR, 2 of the top 5 best TEs in the country, starting center, best defender, and the NT which is the hardest position to recruit. They do return 9 of 11 on defense though...it's just it's a big 2 to lose.

    Forgot about Chase Thomas, but a healthy Skov is their best defender.

    Shittu should be able to fill in at NT.

    Toilolo is not a top 5 TE.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    To do what they have done, with their academic standards is phenomenal.

    Any one can field a great team filled with 10 cent brains and the barely literate, but to do what Stanford has done with their uncompromising academic standards for acceptance - which includes it's athletes, is head and shoulders the most impressive top 10 team in CFB.

    If people can not recognize that and admire it.....well you belong in the 10cent brain class.

    This is so much more than on the field results.

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course it's impressive. Especially relative to every other school that has high level athletics. But unless things have changed dramatically since I was in college the average Stanford FB player does not = the average Stanford student.

    Like I wrote earlier, I know several ex-Stanford players well. And most are just normal dudes. Not one is even remotely stupid, but only one that I can think of could be categorized as otherworldly smart. Put it this way... At least 15 people went to Stanford out of my HS class. And of those I'd say at least ten were D1 level athletes. Two tennis players, at least four swimmers, a gymnast, a diver, couple of runners... Of those (off the top of my head) I'd say only a couple of them graduated in the top 10% of the class. They were good students, but no way would they have been admitted straight up. Stanford makes exceptions for athletes. They also make exceptions for tuba players. They make exceptions for anyone with a special talent. The admittance board vs the coaches has been the hot topic on that campus since forever... The coaches have to spend half their time lobbying for these exceptions.

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  • brem22 said...

    Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course it's impressive. Especially relative to every other school that has high level athletics. But unless things have changed dramatically since I was in college the average Stanford FB player does not = the average Stanford student.

    Like I wrote earlier, I know several ex-Stanford players well. And most are just normal dudes. Not one is even remotely stupid, but only one that I can think of could be categorized as otherworldly smart. Put it this way... At least 15 people went to Stanford out of my HS class. And of those I'd say at least ten were D1 level athletes. Two tennis players, at least four swimmers, a gymnast, a diver, couple of runners... Of those (off the top of my head) I'd say only a couple of them graduated in the top 10% of the class. They were good students, but no way would they have been admitted straight up. Stanford makes exceptions for athletes. They also make exceptions for tuba players. They make exceptions for anyone with a special talent. The admittance board vs the coaches has been the hot topic on that campus since forever... The coaches have to spend half their time lobbying for these exceptions.

    This is true. But they still have higher standards to get in for athletes than almost anyone else.

    When I was in HS coach Stotz was recruiting me (baseball). I had a 1800 SAT (new one) but he couldn't get me in. I could make it in at every other school that recruited me, including Dartmouth.

    Either that or he lied because he wanted to dump my ass shrug

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    This is true. But they still have higher standards to get in for athletes than almost anyone else.

    When I was in HS coach Stotz was recruiting me (baseball). I had a 1800 SAT (new one) but he couldn't get me in. I could make it in at every other school that recruited me, including Dartmouth.

    Either that or he lied because he wanted to dump my ass shrug

    Of course you're right. In truth I'm just being a bitch about it this... I just laugh whenever the media portrays all Stanford football players as Andrew Luck style smart.

    As for your situ, yeah, I can totally see that. But it's a timing thing. It was relative to who else they were recruiting (and their needs) when you were coming out. Stanford was LOADED in baseball when I was in college. Stotz has to play the "ok, ok, gimme this guy and you can ding these two other guys" with the admissions board constantly.

    Stanford does it the right way, there is no doubt. But you can't field all these sick teams in multiple sports selecting only from the ultra brainiac pool. It's statistically not possible.

    brem22

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    This is true. But they still have higher standards to get in for athletes than almost anyone else.

    When I was in HS coach Stotz was recruiting me (baseball). I had a 1800 SAT (new one) but he couldn't get me in. I could make it in at every other school that recruited me, including Dartmouth.

    Either that or he lied because he wanted to dump my ass shrug

    I got work-hosed out of my Waimea trip btw. Bitter.

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  • brem22 said...

    Of course you're right. In truth I'm just being a bitch about it this... I just laugh whenever the media portrays all Stanford football players as Andrew Luck style smart.

    As for your situ, yeah, I can totally see that. But it's a timing thing. It was relative to who else they were recruiting (and their needs) when you were coming out. Stanford was LOADED in baseball when I was in college. Stotz has to play the "ok, ok, gimme this guy and you can ding these two other guys" with the admissions board constantly.

    Stanford does it the right way, there is no doubt. But you can't field all these sick teams in multiple sports selecting only from the ultra brainiac pool. It's statistically not possible.

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  • Tidepride30 said...

    You predicted Saban would win a championship at Bama? That was a stretch.

    -Saban had 1 title at the time when the bet was made and his overall winning % wasn't overly impressive.
    -Look at Bama's record over the previous 5 years (2003-2007)
    -The bet was "within the next 5 years" that Bama would win the National Championship
    -The amount of the "bet" was very, very substantial (ie. ownership share of a small business.....value of wager was in excess of $500,000)

    Yep.....it was a stretch......given the above parameters.

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