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Why do YOU hate liberalism?

  • brem22 said...

    Yeah, no. Liberalism is a distinct political ideology. It's not a "thought process". As is Progressivism which I think you may be referring to. The two are interchanged a lot but they are not the same.

    What are the ideals liberalism?

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    What are the ideals liberalism?

    It's not a simple answer. There's classical vs modern, cultural vs economic... But in the broadest stroke possible today it means that the treasury and the government are a means to the end. Whether that be health care, a 'living wage', jobs, etc... To that end liberalism advocates a larger, heavier handed government, higher taxation, regulation, etc. Liberalism is pro labor, pro union and is anti-corporate* (very much broad stoking here).

    In even simpler terms, Liberalism advocates governmental intervention as a cure for societies ills. As opposed to conservatism that advocates personal responsibility.

    This post was edited by brem22 on 10/10/2012 at 11:05 AM

    brem22 ●

  • brem22 said...

    It's not a simple answer. There's classical vs modern, cultural vs economic... But in the broadest stroke possible today it means that the treasury and the government are a means to the end. Whether that be health care, a 'living wage', jobs, etc... To that end liberalism advocates a larger, heavier handed government, higher taxation, regulation, etc. Liberalism is pro labor, pro union and is anti-corporate* (very much broad stoking here).

    In even simpler terms, Liberalism advocates governmental intervention as a cure for societies ills. As opposed to conservatism that advocates personal responsibility.

    Conservatism has become a war mongering political power thats attempts to legislate religion.

    Does the bastardization of modern conservatism mean one should hate conservatism?

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • I love the liberal heart beat of Washington, state. I love the be who you are midset of the impire state. I love the carefree nature of California girls. You can keep the 20 years behind, snail paced midset of backwood indiana.

    Ego Trip

  • Ego Trip said...

    I love the liberal heart beat of Washington, state. I love the be who you are midset of the impire state. I love the carefree nature of California girls. You can keep the 20 years behind, snail paced midset of backwood indiana.

    I love their educational system.

    VTSmitty ●

  • brem22 said...

    It's not a simple answer. There's classical vs modern, cultural vs economic... But in the broadest stroke possible today it means that the treasury and the government are a means to the end. Whether that be health care, a 'living wage', jobs, etc... To that end liberalism advocates a larger, heavier handed government, higher taxation, regulation, etc. Liberalism is pro labor, pro union and is anti-corporate* (very much broad stoking here).

    In even simpler terms, Liberalism advocates governmental intervention as a cure for societies ills. As opposed to conservatism that advocates personal responsibility.

    Who is personally responsible when you find out that you have cancerous blood cells before you had a chance to aquire insurance. Conservatives, self centered pricks.

    Ego Trip

  • Aussie said...

    You realize you just described both parties?

    No, the OP probably doesn't...That or just refuses to acknowledge it. Both parties suck and if you think otherwise you are part of the "problem". It is not just conservatives or liberals that are causing all of this country's issues. It is both of them.

    VTLocal79 ●

  • VTLocal79 said...

    No, the OP probably doesn't...That or just refuses to acknowledge it. Both parties suck and if you think otherwise you are part of the "problem". It is not just conservatives or liberals that are causing all of this country's issues. It is both of them.

    +1 from me

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Conservatism has become a war mongering political power thats attempts to legislate religion.

    Does the bastardization of modern conservatism mean one should hate conservatism?

    Conservatism has become nothing of the sort. You are describing neo-conservatism (war) and the current state of the Republican party (religion). I don't even understand the point of your question. Are you trying to be cutsey socratic with me? There's a difference between bastardization and people too clueless to understand that there's a difference between conservative and neocon.

    And "war-mongering"? You sound like an aerosol-huffing sophomore that's about to fail out of Wellesley. Or are you being ironic?

    brem22 ●

  • VTLocal79 said...

    Both parties suck and if you think otherwise you are part of the "problem".

    No doubt.

    brem22 ●

  • brem22 said...

    Conservatism has become nothing of the sort. You are describing neo-conservatism (war) and the current state of the Republican party (religion). I don't even understand the point of your question. Are you trying to be cutsey socratic with me? There's a difference between bastardization and people too clueless to understand that there's a difference between conservative and neocon.

    And "war-mongering"? You sound like an aerosol-huffing sophomore that's about to fail out of Wellesley. Or are you being ironic?

    You aren't describing every liberal either. But it certainly seems that conservative ideology has been taken over by neoconservatives. Same with liberalism.

    But I personally hate neoconservatives more than ultra liberals.

    ReasonableDoubt ●

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    You aren't describing every liberal either. But it certainly seems that conservative ideology has been taken over by neoconservatives. Same with liberalism.

    But I personally hate neoconservatives more than ultra liberals.

    Dude. I described what liberalism means from an ideological standpoint. Because you asked. I was focusing on the economic side, but that's what I covered in this thread so I kept it in that vein. If what "liberal" means to you is something different then I'm all ears. But without offering any examples my response is [dismissive wanking motion]

    The Republican platform is being weaned off of neoconservatism. You know, because "bringing freedom to the world" has worked so well. That's a good thing. The religion aspect, not so much. IMO that's a bad thing. Any attempt to legislate morality sickens me. I have fundamental disagreements with true liberals on dozens of issues, but I do not hate them. I just hate the hypocrisy of ultra liberal democrats (see: Reid, Pelosi, et al). I loathe "elitism".

    brem22 ●

  • I hate all "ism"s because then you're tied with a movement instead of your own ideas.

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    You may run like Hayes, but you hit like $*!#

    CockAtLaw

  • Because liberalism provides incentives for people to be lazy. Discourages self reliance.

    i801568 ●

  • I cannot stand the constant assault from the liberal thought police. They take these extreme positions to completely marginalize any would be opposition, irrespective of how intelligent and thoughtful it may be, to win hearts and minds out of fear of being painted a - bigot, racist, earth hater, poor hater, etc.

    They kill any would be dialogue by swinging to these idiotic wild extremes.

    You didn't vote for Obama? You're a racist
    Don't think global warming is man made (in spite of mounting evidence)? You're an idiot and don't understand science
    Don't think we should have endless entitlements for everyone? You hate poor people
    Don't think private citizens should be forced to subsidize someone else's bedroom behavior? You hate women

    Please. These positions of extreme are intellectually dishonest and contribute nothing. It's just an attempt to win your position through some scorched earth, white guilt, foaming at the mouth tactic.

    I can vote for someone aside from Obama and still like black people. I can not want to pay for someone else's birth control and not hate women.

    But don't tell a liberal that. I swear, they're almost as bad as Apple fanatics.

    bamagrad03

  • bamagrad03 said...

    I cannot stand the constant assault from the liberal thought police. They take these extreme positions to completely marginalize any would be opposition, irrespective of how intelligent and thoughtful it may be, to win hearts and minds out of fear of being painted a - bigot, racist, earth hater, poor hater, etc.

    They kill any would be dialogue by swinging to these idiotic wild extremes.

    You didn't vote for Obama? You're a racist Don't think global warming is man made (in spite of mounting evidence)? You're an idiot and don't understand science Don't think we should have endless entitlements for everyone? You hate poor people Don't think private citizens should be forced to subsidize someone else's bedroom behavior? You hate women

    Please. These positions of extreme are intellectually dishonest and contribute nothing. It's just an attempt to win your position through some scorched earth, white guilt, foaming at the mouth tactic.

    I can vote for someone aside from Obama and still like black people. I can not want to pay for someone else's birth control and not hate women.

    But don't tell a liberal that. I swear, they're almost as bad as Apple fanatics.

    What does owning an Apple have to do with being liberal?

    If HP, Dell, Sony or anyone else could make a computer that wasn't a POS I'd gladly stop using Apple.

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    steveschneider

  • steveschneider said...

    What does owning an Apple have to do with being liberal?

    If HP, Dell, Sony or anyone else could make a computer that wasn't a POS I'd gladly stop using Apple.

    If you have an Apple you hate America. This is proven fact.

    brem22 ●

  • Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Joe Biden and the list goes on forever. I don't mind stupid people, I just don't want them making laws, nationalizing our oil companies or being a heartbeat away from the oval office. Clowns belong in the circus.

    Bevostevo ●

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