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Why do people put in a M in front of NC?

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Not so much in 2008,but definitely in 2009 and more so in 2011.

    12-1 Alabama was more deserving of a playoff spot than Big East Champ Cincy or ACC Champ VT.

    Yeah they were, but they were not close to being better than USC or Texas in 2008. Or obviously Utah

    This post was edited by Alonzo Harris on 4/24/2012 at 1:37 AM

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    This

    For example USC won the title but Auburn went undefeated in the SEC back in 04'.... they never played each other

    Who is the real champion ? calling a champ the MNC is like a protest of that terrible problem in this system

    Post of the year IMO..

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  • While the mostly unwatchable regular season in NCAA hoops can mostly be attributed to the NCAA Tourney, I think that the conference tourneys have done more to ruin it in the last two decades than anything. Same goes for these conference championship games in football. Its a freakin joke. What are you going to do about the team that was 12-0 going into the conference title game who loses with this four team playoff format?

    Example of a mythical year...

    Alabama wins in Gainesville by a FG

    Alabama regular season record 12-0
    Florida regular season record 11-1
    USC regular season record 12-0
    Ohio St regular season record 12-0
    Texas regular season record 12-0

    Florida wins SEC title game by a FG, USC, OSU, Texas all win their conference championship game, all 13-0.

    Guess who's going to the four team playoff? Hint, it ain't Alabama. How fair is that? I understand this is an extreme example but there's no reason it couldn't happen.

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  • Leave it to a Bama fan to get his panties in a wad about the M in MNC.

    Since when did Bama start caring about the legitimacy of national titles anyway?

    GPie

  • mikemohr said...

    While the mostly unwatchable regular season in NCAA hoops can mostly be attributed to the NCAA Tourney, I think that the conference tourneys have done more to ruin it in the last two decades than anything. Same goes for these conference championship games in football. Its a freakin joke. What are you going to do about the team that was 12-0 going into the conference title game who loses with this four team playoff format?

    Example of a mythical year...

    Alabama wins in Gainesville by a FG

    Alabama regular season record 12-0
    Florida regular season record 11-1
    USC regular season record 12-0
    Ohio St regular season record 12-0
    Texas regular season record 12-0

    Florida wins SEC title game by a FG, USC, OSU, Texas all win their conference championship game, all 13-0.

    Guess who's going to the four team playoff? Hint, it ain't Alabama. How fair is that? I understand this is an extreme example but there's no reason it couldn't happen.

    Very much so considering you have four undefeated regular season BCS Teams ad under that crazy ass scenario, I would be completely fine since all those other teams are clearly ridiculous good and accomplished.

    However, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about 8-4 Big East Champs and 9-4 ACC Champs.

    A straight four-team playoff from the Top 4 BCS is fine with me.

    But like NCAA and professional leagues, it'll keep expanding and expanding under thiny-veiled equity and fairness, while only being about money.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Very much so considering you have four undefeated regular season BCS Teams ad under that crazy ass scenario, I would be completely fine since all those other teams are clearly ridiculous good and accomplished.

    However, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about 8-4 Big East Champs and 9-4 ACC Champs.

    A straight four-team playoff from the Top 4 BCS is fine with me.

    But like NCAA and professional leagues, it'll keep expanding and expanding under thiny-veiled equity and fairness, while only being about money.

    Win your conference you are in.... that simple... go with a 16 team play off... 11 conference winners, 5 at large...

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Win your conference you are in.... that simple... go with a 16 team play off... 11 conference winners, 5 at large...

    Yea....there is no way there is going to be a 16 team playoff with 11 FBS conference champions.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Yea....there is no way there is going to be a 16 team playoff with 11 FBS conference champions.

    Says who... it is possible and could be done, if they would get over this we would lose money ish..... that is 4 weeks of football, and how long is the Bowl season...

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Says who... it is possible and could be done, if they would get over this we would lose money ish..... that is 4 weeks of football, and how long is the Bowl season...

    Because it is not consistent with what playoffs should be.

    There are not quantitatively and qualitiavely equitable divisions in which to draw from. What about Independents?

    It would be stupid.

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  • Its Mythical, because even with the BCS, the Champion is voted on. The teams that participate in the BCSNCG are voted on and human bias enters into it.

    OrlandoBuckeye

  • All the butt hurt people use an M, the trophy is anything but mythical.

    This post was edited by USMCAG on 4/24/2012 at 9:29 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Because it is not consistent with what playoffs should be.

    There are not quantitatively and qualitiavely equitable divisions in which to draw from. What about Independents?

    It would be stupid.

    They would either have to join a conference or make a stipulation as they have for them already.... there is always a solutions to this problem... you are just saying that only certain teams should be allowed a chance.... how fair is that

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    They would either have to join a conference or make a stipulation as they have for them already.... there is always a solutions to this problem... you are just saying that only certain teams should be allowed a chance.... how fair is that

    Teams that get into the playoffs should be the best teams,not the best team from a VERY conference like the Sun Belt or WAC.

    Hopefully the power conferences form their own division and solve the numbers and quality part.

    Id be fine with an eight team playoff with 5 conference champion plus three WC teams if the 5 12 team conference super division comes true.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Teams that get into the playoffs should be the best teams,not the best team from a VERY conference like the Sun Belt or WAC.

    Hopefully the power conferences form their own division and solve the numbers and quality part.

    Id be fine with an eight team playoff with 5 conference champion plus three WC teams if the 5 12 team conference super division comes true.

    Well all other sports should change their format... If you win the weakest division in baseball, basketball, hockey or football then you wont make the play offs regardless of winning it... that makes no sense... why not just divide three CFB world again. Have 4 conferences and just have them play in the play off. 4 conference winners and that is it....

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Well all other sports should change their format... If you win the weakest division in baseball, basketball, hockey or football then you wont make the play offs regardless of winning it... that makes no sense... why not just divide three CFB world again. Have 4 conferences and just have them play in the play off. 4 conference winners and that is it....

    The standard deviation of quality in professional playoffs is MUCH lower than what would occur in college football.

    Not to mention, the standard deviation of quantity would be greater (conferences ranging from 8-14).

    If there were five 12 team conferences and one might be weaker, the difference is negligible compared to what it would be in the current college football landscape.

    On the new division, I think and agree it will happen.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 4/24/2012 at 9:50 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The standard deviation of quality in professional playoffs is MUCH lower than what would occur in college football.

    Not to mention, the standard deviation of quantity would be greater (conferences ranging from 8-14).

    If there were five 12 team conferences and one might be weaker, the difference is negligible compared to what it would be in the current college football landscape.

    On the new division, I think and agree it will happen.

    Basically before a play off you want the entire CFB landscape changed so that the inferior teams aren't allowed a chance to win.... all it takes is a chance that you are unwilling to give to some...

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Basically before a play off you want the entire CFB landscape changed so that the inferior teams aren't allowed a chance to win.... all it takes is a chance that you are unwilling to give to some...

    Unless the entire FBS realigns,then yea.

    You're talking about completely changing CFB so we can change 50% of FBS teams chances at a championship from 0.00001% to 1.00000%.

    How noble of you.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Unless the entire FBS realigns,then yea.

    You're talking about completely changing CFB so we can change 50% of FBS teams chances at a championship from 0.00001% to 1.00000%.

    How noble of you.

    If there is 11 conferences then you have to be fair, unlike we are now.... that doesn't mean those teams will win it but the chance to make a splash is always fun.... but some are just stuck on having only certain teams compete for it and cast all others to the way side cause they don't stand a chance... but on any given Sat or Sun any team can win... would it be fair to just tell Bama or others who are not very good at other sports to just stay home even though you can have a chance to make a run in the play offs.... by your logic it would be....

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    If there is 11 conferences then you have to be fair, unlike we are now.... that doesn't mean those teams will win it but the chance to make a splash is always fun.... but some are just stuck on having only certain teams compete for it and cast all others to the way side cause they don't stand a chance... but on any given Sat or Sun any team can win... would it be fair to just tell Bama or others who are not very good at other sports to just stay home even though you can have a chance to make a run in the play offs.... by your logic it would be....

    College football is not like other sports. There are rarely ever splashes you speak of.

    You talk about fairness but how is it fair that a 8-4 Sun Belt gets the nod over a 10-2 Arkansas or a 10-2 USC or Illinois or Kansas.

    That precedent will force realignment alone.

    You still are not adding the reality that a majority of profitable schools make most of their money on non-conference home games,which they would lose in a large number playoff scenario.

    The men in charge realize these realities thankfully and aren't on the whims of major change for ostensible ideals of "fairness".

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    College football is not like other sports. There are rarely ever splashes you speak of.

    You talk about fairness but how is it fair that a 8-4 Sun Belt gets the nod over a 10-2 Arkansas or a 10-2 USC or Illinois or Kansas.

    That precedent will force realignment alone.

    You still are not adding the reality that a majority of profitable schools make most of their money on non-conference home games,which they would lose in a large number playoff scenario.

    The men in charge realize these realities thankfully and aren't on the whims of major change for ostensible ideals of "fairness".

    Same reason it was fair for an 8-8 Arizona Cardinals team that made it to the SB and came close to winning it.... you can't excuse teams cause they won their weak conference and another team from a another conference has a better record... using your logic teams like Arizona would not be in the play offs....

    So aging I ask is that right or fair... I mean there is 120 Division 1 schools until that is changed you have to give all and any conference winners a shot... also that 10-2 Arkansas team would have made it in as a WC based on their rankings... last 5 slots go to the highest ranked teams...

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  • Also you are only saying that only a few select teams should be allowed to play for it... if that is the case then no need for more than what 30 or so teams.... and if any of those start to falter do we tell them to leave and bring up another program in their place....

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  • You can not compare the 32 team NFL which has the lowest standard deviation of any league in terms of quality and quantity. Parity is pride of the league.

    An 8-8 Arizona is not much worse statistically in terms of talent,competition and resources than a 12-4 Pittsburgh.

    A 8-4 LA Tech is VASTLY different than a 10-2 LSU.

    As is the Sun Belt to the SEC more so than the NFC West is to the NFC East in a given year.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    You can not compare the 32 team NFL which has the lowest standard deviation of any league in terms of quality and quantity. Parity is pride of the league.

    An 8-8 Arizona is not much worse statistically in terms of talent,competition and resources than a 12-4 Pittsburgh.

    A 8-4 LA Tech is VASTLY different than a 10-2 LSU.

    As is the Sun Belt to the SEC more so than the NFC West is to the NFC East in a given year.

    Let me say this again... that 10-2 LSU team still has a chance to make it in...

    you keep harping on the fact that a Sun Belt winner doesn't deserve to be in the play off..

    how is that fair... tell me... if there is 11 conferences and all other sports ( and yes it is the same no matter how you try to spin it, game is played the exact same as the NFL ) then you have to grant them that much...

    But instead you would tell them no need to worry about winning your conference cause in the end it means nothing.. cause you will still be on the outside looking in.. until we don't have the 11 conferences there is no other true way to go about it.. doing the 4 team play off is no better than the BCS formula cause you will still have voting that takes place that determines who the 4 are.. which a play off would take some of the voting away...

    If is makes you happy go to a 6 team play off using the " Big 6 " conferences... and no wild cards... would that be ok with you are is someone still getting short change...

    oh right I forgot it has to be the best teams only...

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Let me say this again... that 10-2 LSU team still has a chance to make it in...

    you keep harping on the fact that a Sun Belt winner doesn't deserve to be in the play off..

    how is that fair... tell me... if there is 11 conferences and all other sports ( and yes it is the same no matter how you try to spin it, game is played the exact same as the NFL ) then you have to grant them that much...

    But instead you would tell them no need to worry about winning your conference cause in the end it means nothing.. cause you will still be on the outside looking in.. until we don't have the 11 conferences there is no other true way to go about it.. doing the 4 team play off is no better than the BCS formula cause you will still have voting that takes place that determines who the 4 are.. which a play off would take some of the voting away...

    If is makes you happy go to a 6 team play off using the " Big 6 " conferences... and no wild cards... would that be ok with you are is someone still getting short change...

    oh right I forgot it has to be the best teams only...

    Do you really not see how asinine it is to compare the elevens conferences currently in college football to any other divisional makeup in any other league that uses playoffs?

    The playoffs are pointless if there are such vast differences in conferences.

    That is what I am saying.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Do you really not see how asinine it is to compare the elevens conferences currently in college football to any other divisional makeup in any other league that uses playoffs?

    The playoffs are pointless if there are such vast differences in conferences.

    That is what I am saying.

    and all I am saying is that not every division in pro sports is equal.. so do they just say hey your conference was weak, you do not get in... that is what you are saying... but wait that is right only 32 teams so that is the difference... wrong... 120 teams or 32 teams.. win your conference get rewarded... so unless they change the landscape of CFB then you can't turn away conference winners... are you saying you are afraid that one of those teams might luck up and win it all..

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