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Why has the SEC won 6 in a row MNC? Elite Defensive Lineman.

  • that's my opinion at least. I think the biggest edge they've had over all the other conferences as a whole has been in the trenches on defense. They've had bigger, quicker, and better defensive lineman than the other conferences. Simple as that.

    Using the Rivals database (sorry, 247 doesn't go back far enough) and just looking at the 5*'s DL's the SEC has signed vs. the other conferences, welp...it's a pretty big disparity. I realigned the conferences FYI...yes I know..but whatever. Also put guys that played DL in college as DL's. Brandon Graham and Woodley for instance were listed as 5* LB's, but both played DE.

    From 2002-2012 these are the 5*'s defensive lineman. The JUCO rankings database on Rivals only goes from 2005-2012.

    SEC- Jonathan Mapu- UT (2002), DelJuan Robinson- Miss State (2002), Joe Cohen- UF (2003), Jarvis Moss- UF (2003), Brandon Miller- UGA (2004), Derrick Harvey- UF (2004), Jerrell Powe- Miss (2005), Al Woods- LSU (2006), Carlos Dunlap- UF (2007), Torrey Davis- UF (2007), Ben Martin- UT (2007), Omar Hunter- UF (2008), Sheldon Richardson- Mizz (2009), Gary Brown- UF (2009), Chris Davenport- LSU (2009), Ronald Powell- UF (2010), Sharrif Floyd- UF (2010), Dominique Easley- UF (2010), Jadeveon Clowney- SouthCar (2011), Ray Drew- UGA (2011), Anthony Johnson- LSU (2011), Jonathan Bullard- UF (2012), Dante Fowler JR- UF (2012), Raven Gray- AUB (2008- JUCO), Walter Fisher- UT (2006- JUCO), Greg Smith- AUB (2006- JUCO), SEC TOTAL: 26 5* DL

    B1G - Gabe Watson- UM (2002), LaMarr Woodley- UM (2003), Justin Ostrowski- Wisc (2003), Brandon Graham- UM (2006), Robert Rose- OSU (2006), Baker Steinkuhler- NEB (2008), Will Campbell- UM (2009), Will Gholston- MSU (2010), Noah Spence- OSU (2012), Ondre Pipkins- UM (2012), Adolphus Washington- OSU (2012), B1G TOTAL: 11

    ACC - Kai Parham- UVA (2002), DeMario Presley- NCST (2004), Melvin Alaeze - MD (2005), Callahan Bright- FSU (2005), Ricky Sapp- Clem (2006), Marvin Austin- UNC (2007), DaQuon Bowers- Clem (2008), Marcus Forston- MIA (2008), Jacobbi McDaniel- FSU (2009), Donte Moss- NCST (2009), Mario Edwards- FSU (2012), Eddie Goldman- FSU (2012), Markus White- FSU (2008- JUCO) ACC TOTAL: 13

    PAC - Haloti Ngata- ORE (2002), Jeff Schweiger- 'SC (2004), Everson Griffen- 'SC (2007), Devon Kennard- 'SC (2009), Owamagbe Odighizuwa- UCLA (2010), Chris Martin- CAL (2010), Ellis McCarthy- UCLA (2012), Aziz Shittu- STAN (2012), Simi Kuli- ORST (2008- JUCO), James Aiono- UTAH (2009- JUCO), Louis Holmes- Arizona (2006- JUCO), Gabe Long- Arizona (2005- JUCO) PAC TOTAL: 12 (Chris Martin left CAL for UF almost immediately though)

    B12 - Brian Pickryl- UT (2002), Rod Wright- UT (2002), Franklin Okam- UT (2004), DeMarcus Granger- OU (2005), Gerald McCoy- OU (2006), Eddie Jones- UT (2006), RJ Washington- OU (2008), Alex Okafor- UT (2009), Jackson Jeffcoat- UT (2010), Malcolm Brown- UT (2012), Ryan McBean- OKST (2005- JUCO) B12 TOTAL: 11

    BEZ - Nathaniel Robinson- Rut (2003), Darius Hamilton- RUT (2012) - Lol.

    ND- Victor Abiamari (2003), Ishaq Williams (2011), Stephon Tuitt (2011) - (Aaron Lynch was just on the cusp of 5*)

    Yadda yadda yadda, I know stars don't matter (keep kidding yourself if you really believe that)....

    But SEC is King, and will remain King as long as they keep loading up on elite defensive lineman. Hell, if you counted some of those 5* 3-4 OLB's that Alabama has that are sort of stand-up DE's that 26 number would be closer to 30.

    supermario9

  • supermario9 said...

    that's my opinion at least. I think the biggest edge they've had over all the other conferences as a whole has been in the trenches on defense. They've had bigger, quicker, and better defensive lineman than the other conferences. Simple as that.

    Using the Rivals database (sorry, 247 doesn't go back far enough) and just looking at the 5*'s DL's the SEC has signed vs. the other conferences, welp...it's a pretty big disparity. I realigned the conferences FYI...yes I know..but whatever. Also put guys that played DL in college as DL's. Brandon Graham and Woodley for instance were listed as 5* LB's, but both played DE.

    From 2002-2012 these are the 5*'s defensive lineman. The JUCO rankings database on Rivals only goes from 2005-2012.

    SEC- Jonathan Mapu- UT (2002), DelJuan Robinson- Miss State (2002), Joe Cohen- UF (2003), Jarvis Moss- UF (2003), Brandon Miller- UGA (2004), Derrick Harvey- UF (2004), Jerrell Powe- Miss (2005), Al Woods- LSU (2006), Carlos Dunlap- UF (2007), Torrey Davis- UF (2007), Ben Martin- UT (2007), Omar Hunter- UF (2008), Sheldon Richardson- Mizz (2009), Gary Brown- UF (2009), Chris Davenport- LSU (2009), Ronald Powell- UF (2010), Sharrif Floyd- UF (2010), Dominique Easley- UF (2010), Jadeveon Clowney- SouthCar (2011), Ray Drew- UGA (2011), Anthony Johnson- LSU (2011), Jonathan Bullard- UF (2012), Dante Fowler JR- UF (2012), Raven Gray- AUB (2008- JUCO), Walter Fisher- UT (2006- JUCO), Greg Smith- AUB (2006- JUCO), SEC TOTAL: 26 5* DL

    B1G - Gabe Watson- UM (2002), LaMarr Woodley- UM (2003), Justin Ostrowski- Wisc (2003), Brandon Graham- UM (2006), Robert Rose- OSU (2006), Baker Steinkuhler- NEB (2008), Will Campbell- UM (2009), Will Gholston- MSU (2010), Noah Spence- OSU (2012), Ondre Pipkins- UM (2012), Adolphus Washington- OSU (2012), B1G TOTAL: 11

    ACC - Kai Parham- UVA (2002), DeMario Presley- NCST (2004), Melvin Alaeze - MD (2005), Callahan Bright- FSU (2005), Ricky Sapp- Clem (2006), Marvin Austin- UNC (2007), DaQuon Bowers- Clem (2008), Marcus Forston- MIA (2008), Jacobbi McDaniel- FSU (2009), Donte Moss- NCST (2009), Mario Edwards- FSU (2012), Eddie Goldman- FSU (2012), Markus White- FSU (2008- JUCO) ACC TOTAL: 13

    PAC - Haloti Ngata- ORE (2002), Jeff Schweiger- 'SC (2004), Everson Griffen- 'SC (2007), Devon Kennard- 'SC (2009), Owamagbe Odighizuwa- UCLA (2010), Chris Martin- CAL (2010), Ellis McCarthy- UCLA (2012), Aziz Shittu- STAN (2012), Simi Kuli- ORST (2008- JUCO), James Aiono- UTAH (2009- JUCO), Louis Holmes- Arizona (2006- JUCO), Gabe Long- Arizona (2005- JUCO) PAC TOTAL: 12 (Chris Martin left CAL for UF almost immediately though)

    B12 - Brian Pickryl- UT (2002), Rod Wright- UT (2002), Franklin Okam- UT (2004), DeMarcus Granger- OU (2005), Gerald McCoy- OU (2006), Eddie Jones- UT (2006), RJ Washington- OU (2008), Alex Okafor- UT (2009), Jackson Jeffcoat- UT (2010), Malcolm Brown- UT (2012), Ryan McBean- OKST (2005- JUCO) B12 TOTAL: 11

    BEZ - Nathaniel Robinson- Rut (2003), Darius Hamilton- RUT (2012) - Lol.

    ND- Victor Abiamari (2003), Ishaq Williams (2011), Stephon Tuitt (2011) - (Aaron Lynch was just on the cusp of 5*)

    Yadda yadda yadda, I know stars don't matter (keep kidding yourself if you really believe that)....

    But SEC is King, and will remain King as long as they keep loading up on elite defensive lineman. Hell, if you counted some of those 5* 3-4 OLB's that Alabama has that are sort of stand-up DE's that 26 number would be closer to 30.

    Jimbo Fisher ( the guy you question about if he is right for FSU ) said the difference is the dline play.... look at what he has been recruiting at FSU... elite Dlineman.... might want to add Tank Carridine and Tim Jernigan to the FSU list....

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  • We literally went 8-9 deep on the DL last year. That's the difference.

    Our line would wear out the opposing OL because there's no drop off when we would sub guys in.

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    Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.

    Lesticals

  • Lesticals said...

    We literally went 8-9 deep on the DL last year. That's the difference.

    Our line would wear out the opposing OL because there's no drop off when we would sub guys in.

    Exactly what Fisher is shooting for...

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  • Lesticals said...

    We literally went 8-9 deep on the DL last year. That's the difference.

    Our line would wear out the opposing OL because there's no drop off when we would sub guys in.

    Got to keep rotating so those big boys don't wear out

    This post was edited by FSUgoNoles24 on 4/11/2012 at 5:00 PM

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Jimbo Fisher ( the guy you question about if he is right for FSU ) said the difference is the dline play.... look at what he has been recruiting at FSU... elite Dlineman.... might want to add Tank Carridine and Tim Jernigan to the FSU list....

    neither were 5*'s in the Rivals database. Tim J not being a 5* on Rivals was kind of a joke imo.

    I have definitely noticed what Jimbo has been doing with DL recruiting. Very very impressive. If FSU isn't an upper echelon team in 2-3 years like an LSU then it will be because of coaching, not talent. JMO.

    supermario9

  • supermario9 said...

    neither were 5*'s in the Rivals database. Tim J not being a 5* on Rivals was kind of a joke imo.

    I have definitely noticed what Jimbo has been doing with DL recruiting. Very very impressive. If FSU isn't an upper echelon team in 2-3 years like an LSU then it will be because of coaching, not talent. JMO.

    No doubt... most don't understand the talent wasn't there when he took over.... and the development of the players was at an all time low.... Tank was a JUCO and think he was either a high 4* or low 5*

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  • hope so,

    osu d line is very deep and solid

    simon, hankins, williams, bennet, washington, spence, pittman

    a2brutus

  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    No doubt... most don't understand the talent wasn't there when he took over.... and the development of the players was at an all time low.... Tank was a JUCO and think he was either a high 4* or low 5*

    yeah, I think you win National Championships in college football with strong defense. This isn't the NFL- where it's set up to be a non-contact passing sport. You still need defense, defense, defense to win. FSU is loading up in the trenches on D, and that's where it all starts.

    SEC has been doing this for the last decade or so, and that's why they have been the dominant conference as a whole. LSU, Alabama, UF, Auburn, Georgia...all have had very strong defensive front 7's and now South Carolina is starting to really get strong in the front 7 as well through recruiting. It all starts up front.

    supermario9

  • Only 7 of those SEC guys even had eligibility left when the school they chose won the BCSCG.

    It goes much deeper than that and none of them lined up for any of the last 3 BCS champions.

    I would point more towards coaching.....and not just HC, but the coordinators and position coaches. The coaches in the SEC get paid exponentially higher than those in other conferences and that is very attracttive.

    BetterOff

  • "Why has the SEC won 6 in a row MNC? Elite Defensive Lineman."

    No kidding? I was beginning to think the SEC won 6 in a row because of elite placekickers

    This post was edited by Status on 4/11/2012 at 5:25 PM

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  • That is definitely the biggest part of it imo, but you can't have a shit OL and no running game and expect to win a title.

    Great front seven, good running game, timely coaching, some luck = 6 natl titles in a row.

    swampchomp615

  • supermario9 said...

    yeah, I think you win National Championships in college football with strong defense. This isn't the NFL- where it's set up to be a non-contact passing sport. You still need defense, defense, defense to win. FSU is loading up in the trenches on D, and that's where it all starts.

    SEC has been doing this for the last decade or so, and that's why they have been the dominant conference as a whole. LSU, Alabama, UF, Auburn, Georgia...all have had very strong defensive front 7's and now South Carolina is starting to really get strong in the front 7 as well through recruiting. It all starts up front.

    Eric Norwood, Cliff Matthews, Ajiboye, Melvin Ingram, Devin Taylor, Travian Robertson, Clowney....yeah its no secret why we have been much better the last couple years. We have always cranked DBs to the NFL (look it up) but didn't do much good without those guys up front. Chaz Sutton was a 4-star DE, is still very good and productive, and he can barely get any playing time.

    Also hand-in-hand with this is S&C coaching...those DL are where they make their money. Travian Robertson put on about 75 pounds at USC, everyone knows about Ingram, etc, etc...

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  • Lesticals said...
    We literally went 8-9 deep on the DL last year. That's the difference.
    Our line would wear out the opposing OL because there's no drop off when we would sub guys in.

    FSUgoNoles24 said...
    Exactly what Fisher is shooting for...

    but the 2nd half of the eqation is a reliable clock and yardage grinding running game .

    swampchop said it ....run and stop the run

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 4/11/2012 at 8:13 PM

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  • Lsu and bama's OL honestly wore down every team they played except each other.

    By the 4th, every team both lsu/Bama played quit. Just check the season 2nd half rush stats.

    So yes, power on both lines is what made both so great, even without a QB (lsu)

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    Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.

    Lesticals

  • Status said...

    "Why has the SEC won 6 in a row MNC? Elite Defensive Lineman."

    No kidding? I was beginning to think the SEC won 6 in a row because of elite placekickers

    Lots of cash shrug

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  • Oversigning.

    (imo)

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    devidee

  • devidee said...

    Oversigning.

    (imo)

    Overgrown, over fed country black dudes.

    Peas and cornbread son

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    Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.

    Lesticals

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    but the 2nd half of the eqation is a reliable clock and yardage grinding running game .

    swampchop said it ....run and stop the run

    I agree that is the second equation... no doubt that is the ingredients to winning... but the question was what separates the SEC from everyone else... and to me it is the elite dlines. There are some very good olines the SEC has faced in OOC and Bowl games, but those olines can't hold the SEC dlines.....

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  • Not just DL. OL as well. The game is won in the trenches

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    Ichabod

  • Lesticals said...

    Overgrown, over fed country black dudes.

    Peas and cornbread son

    THIS

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    Lebron James will never be as good as Michael Jordan, thus we should get rid of his nickname, "The King".

    amrollZ71

  • Supermario, this is one of the most well known and shared opinions in all of CFB. It's not your idea.

    fsufsu

  • devidee said...

    Oversigning.

    (imo)

    with the 25/85 rule intact lol

    Crimson_Ghost ●

  • Ichabod said...

    Not just DL. OL as well. The game is won in the trenches

    haven't noticed quite the descrepancy in OL recruiting as I have in DL recruiting. That one is more equal.

    Where SEC seems to be crushing the competition is front 7, specifically DL.

    supermario9

  • Alabama has won 2 of the last 3 national titles and were a quarter away from playing for another in 08. To my knowledge, Bama has signed zero 5* DL under Saban. The LB's that line up on the DL from time to time weren't 5*'s either. Just an observation because we do rack up top 100-250 DL, they just aren't elite by ranking standards. We sign elite recruits at RB, LB, DB, OL, even WR and we have the best coach in America. I guess that helps....

    HADOUKEN

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