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Why on earth is Tennessee...

  • considered a "big" offer?

    Even if you forget how they're doing on the field, they've offered 247 kids (according to 247sports.com). That's twice as many as most other programs.

    Recently read an article where the writer (not the prospect) mentioned Tennessee as a big-time offer. Sorry, just don't see why being one of 250 kids would make anyone feel special.

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  • psubills62 said...

    considered a "big" offer?

    Even if you forget how they're doing on the field, they've offered 247 kids (according to 247sports.com). That's twice as many as most other programs.

    Recently read an article where the writer (not the prospect) mentioned Tennessee as a big-time offer. Sorry, just don't see why being one of 250 kids would make anyone feel special.

    I don't think any of the kids see or care how many other players are offered, nor does that really factor into the mix of whether it's a big offer.

    Tennessee is a top program historically and getting an offer from a school like that for a 17 year old froma school in the SEC that plays in front of 100,000+ fans is a pretty big deal, IMO.

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  • BetterOff said...

    I don't think any of the kids see or care how many other players are offered, nor does that really factor into the mix of whether it's a big offer.

    Tennessee is a top program historically and getting an offer from a school like that for a 17 year old froma school in the SEC that plays in front of 100,000+ fans is a pretty big deal, IMO.

    It wasn't the prospect who called it a big offer, it was the writer. For prospects...everyone sees things differently. But I'd think people who follow recruiting would know better.

    I've actually read an article or two before where prospects specifically say "I just got an offer from ____, and I know they don't just hand out offers that easily." I know a kid said this about Michigan early on when they had given out over 100 offers and at the time that was the most in the nation.

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  • psubills62 said...

    they've offered 247 kids (according to 247sports.com). That's twice as many as most other Programs

    Ha ole miss has offered over 400 this year

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  • psubills62 said...

    It wasn't the prospect who called it a big offer, it was the writer. For prospects...everyone sees things differently. But I'd think people who follow recruiting would know better.

    I've actually read an article or two before where prospects specifically say "I just got an offer from ____, and I know they don't just hand out offers that easily." I know a kid said this about Michigan early on when they had given out over 100 offers and at the time that was the most in the nation.

    Even for a writer, why wouldn't Tennessee be a big time offer. I would think that writers (being older) would have more of an appreciation for the historic programs even more so than the 17 year old kids.

    Would you think that getting a Penn St offer would be big time?

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  • BetterOff said...

    Even for a writer, why wouldn't Tennessee be a big time offer. I would think that writers (being older) would have more of an appreciation for the historic programs even more so than the 17 year old kids.

    Would you think that getting a Penn St offer would be big time?

    Except the writers should know that carpet bombing the nation with offers kind of decreases the value. Anyone should realize that. If you're giving out tons of offers, they're not worth much anymore. Big time is from both a big program AND to a select number of kids. Texas is listed as having 29 offers out. THAT is a big time offer.

    Right now, I'd say no. PSU doesn't use the machine gun approach to offers, but given their situation they're prone to offer lesser kids. Ask me again in 3-4 years and I'd almost certainly say they are.

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  • I still consider Tennessee a top program because of the fan base, the facilities, campus lifestyle, and conference prestige. NCAA 13 agrees with me.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Except the writers should know that carpet bombing the nation with offers kind of decreases the value. Anyone should realize that. If you're giving out tons of offers, they're not worth much anymore. Big time is from both a big program AND to a select number of kids. Texas is listed as having 29 offers out. THAT is a big time offer.

    Right now, I'd say no. PSU doesn't use the machine gun approach to offers, but given their situation they're prone to offer lesser kids. Ask me again in 3-4 years and I'd almost certainly say they are.

    Well, I'd still say that Penn St is a big time offer for any 17 year old.

    I don't think supply and demand quite works the same for recruiting as it doesn't in the economy. Some schools that don't have such a great in-state recruiting base like Tennessee have to spread the blanket out a lot more than other schools because they are going to lose so many more battles because they are having to go into other school's territories much, much more often. Texas doesn't have to this. Of course, I would say that locking down their recruiting class years in advance may be part of the problem that they are having in Texas. Kids develop or don't develop at different rates when they are 15 and 16 and that has burned Texas at times, IMO.

    Tennessee can pass out as many offers as they want, because there are still only 25 spots available. An offer is just a show of interest these days anyway, IMO. There is no real value to them. Any time a kid commits, a portion of those offers go bye bye for a program like that.

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    Ha ole miss has offered over 400 this year

    ha the more hooks you put in the water the better the chances of getting a bite haha especially when you are having to recruit against a 2-10 record

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  • rolBAMAballs said...

    Tenn is not in a position to be selective

    This is the key. If it's not in a position to be selective, then it shouldn't be considered big-time. Same deal for PSU.

    I'd be interested to hear if any non-SEC fans consider Tennessee big-time anymore. No doubt the SEC is a very good conference, but that doesn't automatically mean any SEC offer is big time.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Even if you forget how they're doing on the field, they've offered 247 kids (according to 247sports.com).

    must say i had to read that a couple times to make sure i was reading it right, 247 recruits according to 247sports haha had to make sure i wasnt double reading

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  • BetterOff said...

    Well, I'd still say that Penn St is a big time offer for any 17 year old.

    I don't think supply and demand quite works the same for recruiting as it doesn't in the economy. Some schools that don't have such a great in-state recruiting base like Tennessee have to spread the blanket out a lot more than other schools because they are going to lose so many more battles because they are having to go into other school's territories much, much more often. Texas doesn't have to this. Of course, I would say that locking down their recruiting class years in advance may be part of the problem that they are having in Texas. Kids develop or don't develop at different rates when they are 15 and 16 and that has burned Texas at times, IMO.

    Tennessee can pass out as many offers as they want, because there are still only 25 spots available. An offer is just a show of interest these days anyway, IMO. There is no real value to them. Any time a kid commits, a portion of those offers go bye bye for a program like that.

    It's true that an "offer" has been devalued, especially the verbal offers. They're more hooks than legit offers anymore. But at the same time, they still gave out those offers.

    I think we'll just have to disagree. Being a big time offer means it is special. Giving them to everyone in sight is not special, even if it's from a good school.

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  • rolBAMAballs said...

    I figured I should have left that last line out

    I guess what I meant was they have a lot of holes to fill currently.

    Notre dame has sucked a lot lately but an offer from them is big

    Same with Michigan to a lesser extent

    Whether or not you should have left that last line out, it's correct. Tennessee cannot be selective, and with the way they've both sucked and sent out offers to everyone...it's not a big offer.

    Like I said...would really like to hear from non-SEC people. Especially considering the carpet bomb offer approach is typical for SEC schools.

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  • gtownreb said...

    must say i had to read that a couple times to make sure i was reading it right, 247 recruits according to 247sports haha had to make sure i wasnt double reading

    Yeah, I thought that was weird too.

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  • gtownreb said...

    ha the more hooks you put in the water the better the chances of getting a bite haha especially when you are having to recruit against a 2-10 record

    What happens though when 3 quarters of your hooks don't have bait on them

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  • Somebody already said this, but tennessee has to hand out so many offers because they have to recruit nationally. They are mostly just feelers to prospects around the country. Their recruiting dynamic is totally different from schools with a solid in-state base. Texas is the primary example of that. Just because the strategy is different doesn't mean tennessee isn't a big time offer.

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  • jdawg804 said...

    Somebody already said this, but tennessee has to hand out so many offers because they have to recruit nationally. They are mostly just feelers to prospects around the country. Their recruiting dynamic is totally different from schools with a solid in-state base. Texas is the primary example of that. Just because the strategy is different doesn't mean tennessee isn't a big time offer.

    Don't buy that excuse. Programs like Michigan and Michigan State have to do the same thing due to a lack of in-state base and they each have about half the offers out. Ditto for Wisconsin (83 offers) and even Minnesota (139). Penn State also doesn't have a solid in-state base (6 in top247 vs. 5 for Tennessee) and we've only given out 95 offers. And that's with having to scramble to send out a bunch of offers after the decommits.

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    What happens though when 3 quarters of your hooks don't have bait on them

    come on now you are from Mississippi , you have heard of snagging fishing

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  • psubills62 said...

    Don't buy that excuse. Programs like Michigan and Michigan State have to do the same thing due to a lack of in-state base and they each have about half the offers out. Ditto for Wisconsin (83 offers) and even Minnesota (139). Penn State also doesn't have a solid in-state base (6 in top247 vs. 5 for Tennessee) and we've only given out 95 offers. And that's with having to scramble to send out a bunch of offers after the decommits.

    You also are not competing with Alabama's, Florida's, and LSU's in your own backyard cherry-picking. We have a 7 state main radius for recruiting, (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia). We are competing with a ton of top caliber programs for the plethora of kids in these states. Battles for recruits up north are limited to the number of top programs at that time, which is usually no greater than like 3 any given year (Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan are what I would consider to be the top 3 choices for kids up north at this time).

    This is why we have to throw so many feelers out there, because we compete for top prospects, but you also have to be prepared for if (and lately when) the top prospects on your board commit elsewhere.

    Another point is that not all offers are comittable offers. .

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  • BetterOff said...

    Some schools that don't have such a great in-state recruiting base like Tennessee have to spread the blanket out a lot more than other schools because they are going to lose so many more battles because they are having to go into other school's territories much, much more often.

    The state of Tennessee does not have much talent FWIW

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  • psubills62 said...

    It's true that an "offer" has been devalued, especially the verbal offers. They're more hooks than legit offers anymore. But at the same time, they still gave out those offers.

    I think we'll just have to disagree. Being a big time offer means it is special. Giving them to everyone in sight is not special, even if it's from a good school.

    Yeah but wouldn't it depend on what type of offer they are handing out?

    Big difference in receiving a committable offer and one that's not.

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  • Resurgent Vol said...

    You also are not competing with Alabama's, Florida's, and LSU's in your own backyard cherry-picking. We have a 7 state main radius for recruiting, (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia). We are competing with a ton of top caliber programs for the plethora of kids in these states. Battles for recruits up north are limited to the number of top programs at that time, which is usually no greater than like 3 any given year (Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Michigan are what I would consider to be the top 3 choices for kids up north at this time).

    This is why we have to throw so many feelers out there, because we compete for top prospects, but you also have to be prepared for if (and lately when) the top prospects on your board commit elsewhere.

    Another point is that not all offers are comittable offers. .

    We're not competing with Alabama's, Florida's, etc.? Off the top of my head, Anthony Averett, Colin Thompson, Sharrif Floyd. And I don't have a very good memory, even I was able to come up with those. Pennsylvania, NJ, and VA (our main recruiting areas) has been the target of cherry picking for a while now. Not to mention Virginia and Va Tech, who are becoming quite good at recruiting. Even Rutgers has stolen kids from us.

    If they're not committable, then they aren't offers and shouldn't be labeled as such. So Tennessee is the only one who gives out non-committable offers? If a certain percentage of UT's offers aren't committable, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that a similar percentage of other program's offers aren't committable either?

    Just excuses. It's the carpet bomb mentality, but I don't consider 1 out of 250 to be big time or special in any way.

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