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Nice deflection.

My opinion was very clear when you mentioned your flawed "starters" system, and it is still clear.

I can see why you don't want to talk about that though.

True but there is a big difference between knowing the playbook and having to make adjustments during the game.

Cute.

Want to run through your whole team, and your original analysis of the returning starters?

Cuz...that was funny.

Most sane people use this system:

Starters - Starters leaving = Returning starters (eg., 11 - 3 = 8)

What was your system again?

What is a starter? 1 game? All 12 games? Have you said what you consider a starter.

What is your system exactly?

Wow. You guys take credit for moral victories now? That's kind of sad.

You played like poop? Our defense have something to do with that? Or you just played like poop for no reason?

Man you like to twist words. Did I claim a moral victory? No. I said we played like shit and yet almost beat you guys. If it makes you feel better we played like shit because of the combination of your defense and horrible play calling by our Offensive coordinator.

I ask you what a starter is in you opinion. How many games does a player have to start to be considered a returning starter to you? 1, 2,3,... All games?
I gave you my example with Michigan's defensive backfield, do you agree or disagree and can you explain your position?

I agreed with Rocky on MSUs Dline, lost 2 starters in Worthy and Pickelman (sp), but with White coming back who started the season before getting hurt, retained a guy with starter experience.

To answer your question, something you avoid or answer indirectly, Michigan lost a starter in Hemingway, we thought we had a guy returning with starter experience in Stonum, that ended up not being the case.

Then I asked you...

Let me make this really simple for you...you claim that Michigan is returning 9 of 11 starters on offense and defense, so...

1. Which 2 starters are not returning on offense?

2. Which 2 starters are not returning on defense?

Take your time.

(Now this was designed to show you how silly your "system" was, since you had more than 2 starters leaving on both sides of the ball...but you apparently still don't understand basic math, and how you were manipulating the returning "starters" while basically not counting actual "starters" that were leaving. And, then your system only seems to apply to UM returning "starters", and not MSU's returning "starters". Any other questions about how your system is flawed? Or have I covered everything?)

I will answer that for him because I'm right here and will give you an accurate answer. We are losing 4 players on offense, Center David Molk, WR Junior Hemingway, TE Kevin Koger, and RT Mark Huyge. On defense we lose 3/4 players depending on how you look at it. The 3 are DT Mike Martin, DT Ryan Van Bergen, DE Will Heringer, and if you want to count the fourth, DB Troy Woolfolk but he lost his job at CB and at safety before the season ended and only played about 15 or so plays a game.

Or give Nigel his own thread. Anyone who feels like banging their head against a wall for a few minutes can drop by and say hello.

This is what you don't get, I was talking about returning starters. Remember Nigel, returning starter =/= not returning starter. Ask Rocky, he explained it earlier also.

The 9 starters on O I believe we discussed as guys returning with starter experience were Robinson, Toussaint, Hopkins, Stonum, Roundtree, Lewan, Schofield, Barnum, and Omameh. Obviously Stonum isn't returning now.

The 9 starters on D I believe we discussed as guys returning with starter experience were, Roh, Morgan, Demens, Ryan, Floyd, Countess, Kovacs, Gordon, and I thought somebody besides Heinenger (sp) was returning. I was wrong about Heinenger and admitted as much.

(Can you explain the basic math to Rocky also, he said the same thing about White returning on the Dline.)

Glad to see you are still keeping up your hate. I have a feeling before too long you are going to be a fan.