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pstrjohn said...
Ok. I'll play your game. Gene Chizik 3 years 31 wins. Average 10.3 per year. 1 Sec champiinship and 1 NC What was Saban win total his first three years at UA? I'll help you out-- 33. I SEC championship and 1 NC. And Saban didn't come into nearly as a depleted roster and Chinese fire drill as Chizik did. Not Spin, fact! In his entire career Saban has had back to back seasons with less than 3 wins 1 time. All you Bama guys want to hold Chizik to this pretend standard as if he has not done anything. And then pretend that Cam is the only reason he has had any success and won't have anymore. He has recruiting 2 top notch classes and working on another top 5.
And let's look at The Cam argument. Chizik had Cam and Fairly. Saban had Ingram, Richardson, Julio Jones, a three year starter at QB, no less than 5 first round picks many on the Defense, several other top rounders- all studs, and yet accomplished virtually the same in the same time. Saban now has the benefit of having five full recruiting classes at Bama. Who has done more with less? No doubt Saban is a great coach and a great recruiter, but didn't Chizik and staff just flip your top 5 star recruit following your 2nd NC in 3 years and has out recruited Saban for the top players in State thus far? Chizik is entering his 4th full season and recruiting his 3rd full class 4th if you think one month to recruit in 09 is a class, and yet he has managed to stay on par in many ways, with "the legend". In fact, all things being equal, he is out recruiting him pound for pound given the two sets of circumstances right now. So all this chest beating you guys are doing about " we have Saban"- it is not quite the Golden Bullet you are convinced that it is. And the fact that your fan base soends so much energy and time talking about and worrying about Chizik and AU tells me that you don't really believe most of the propoganda that you spew.
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Big A said...
Who are these 5* busts? Mike Dyer was the BCS MVP and first team all SEC in his first two years. Shon Coleman has never played because of cancer. Krist Frost redshirted last year. Cam Newton won the Heisman and was the first pick in the draft. That's all the 5*.
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bigwilly64 said...
I was talking about AU 5*'s as a whole, not just under Chizik. Kris Frost couldn't crack that shitty ass LB corp? Not ready to call him a bust, but a 5* would beat out the crappy as LBs AU fielded last year. Dyer was serviceable, but no 5* IMO. He was a product of Cam his freshman year.
Greg Smith...Raven Gray...Tray Blackmon.....etc
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bigwilly64 said...
They are just that at this point....he hasn't shown that he can develop them into elite players yet. Is the potential there? Absolutely. However, virtually every 5* that AU has signed not named Cam has been a bust. There is no disputing that.
We need to see the Lo Owens and Greg Robinson type players actually produce. Recruiting is only half the battle, hoss.
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bigwilly64 said...
I was talking about AU 5*'s as a whole, not just under Chizik. Kris Frost couldn't crack that shitty ass LB corp? Not ready to call him a bust, but a 5* would beat out the crappy as LBs AU fielded last year. Dyer was serviceable, but no 5* IMO. He was a product of Cam his freshman year.
Greg Smith...Raven Gray...Tray Blackmon.....etc
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UAGRAY said...
First off, for a pastor you are pretty agro about this..shouldn't you be writing sermons and checking on old people?
Let's compare Saban @ Bama vs. Chizik @ Auburn
Saban
2007 7-6 2008 12-2 (SEC W) 2009 14-0 (national Title) 2010 10-3 2011 12-1 (National Title) 2012 12-0,11-1,10-2, 9-3 (All predictions by various analysts)
Chizik 2009 8-5 2010 14-0 (National Title) 2011 8-5 2012 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, 7-5,
So if Chizik goes 9-3 this next season will you still consider him "just as good" as Saban in his first four years at Auburn? Sure if you want to compare what Saban did at MICHIGAN STATE then by all means go ahead but I think the better measuring stick though is what each coach has done while coaching in the same state at premiere programs. I have a feeling that if Auburn goes 8-4 your tone will change about the greatness of Chizik. Last season you suffered the worst losses to your rivals in the history of your program...how is that better coaching? Your defense has gotten progressively worse each year with Chizik who is supposed to be a defensive guru. Oh btw congrats on "dominating the state", I guess we'll just have to settle for another #1 recruiting class to make it 5 out of 6 years. #hastagsareforfags
This post was edited by HowardRoarkAU on 7/23/2012 at 3:18 PM
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HowardRoarkAU said...
If Chizik won 9-10 games this year at Auburn, his record would be virtually identical to Saban's first four years record at LSU, not Michigan State. With 9 wins this season, Chizik would equal Saban's win total for the first 4 seasons at LSU.
Saban @ LSU:
2000 8-4
2001 10-3
2002 8-5
2003 13-1
2004 9-3Overall: 48-16 (9.6 wins per season)
Chizik @ AU:
2009 8-5
2010 14-0
2011 8-5
2012 9-4Overall: 39-14 (9.75 wins per season)
Facts and stuff, comparing similar programs in the same division.
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Big A said...
Kris Frost was injured last year and redshirted due to his shoulder.
Raven Gray and Greg Smith never played at Auburn. Tray Blackmon never lived up to his 5* status but he did have some good moments while he was there.
Dyer was serviceable? A product of Cam? He made first team all-sec last year with Trent and on a team with the worst offensive line in the SEC. That's serviceable? Wow. Lulz.
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bigwilly64 said...
You think Dyer is on the level of Trent or lattimore? lulz. Those are 5* rbs. Do you recall Dyer ripping through tackles to get extra yardage? Not really. First guy got him down a good majority of the time. Malzahn's scheme creates wide open running lanes.
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HowardRoarkAU said...
we have signed Dyer, Coleman and Frost.
Dyer wasn't a bust, he has a BCS CG MVP and as many 1,000 yard seasons as Trent and Ingram combined.
Coleman got cancer and is now trying to regain football shape after 3 years of treatments.
Frost got injured as a true freshman and redshirted. He is now a RS Freshman.
You're a moron.
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HowardRoarkAU said...
If Chizik won 9-10 games this year at Auburn, his record would be virtually identical to Saban's first four years record at LSU, not Michigan State. With 9 wins this season, Chizik would equal Saban's win total for the first 4 seasons at LSU.
Saban @ LSU:
2000 8-4
2001 10-3
2002 8-5
2003 13-1
2004 9-3Overall: 48-16 (9.6 wins per season)
Chizik @ AU:
2009 8-5
2010 14-0
2011 8-5
2012 9-4Overall: 39-14 (9.75 wins per season)
Facts and stuff, comparing similar programs in the same division.
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Big A said...
Yes. Why don't you watch the Auburn/USCe game from last year and get back to me on that. You make some really general statements which probably means you are ignorant.
Like, wonder why Tyler Love turned out to be a bust. Must be because Bama can't coach up 5* players. So damn ignorant.
You have been wrong so man times ITT. Just go back to BOL. Tell jawa Hey.
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Big A said...
So you don't want to talk about Tyler Love or Burton Scott? Want to keep deflecting? Just give it up bro. You are calling a guy a bust who was the MVP of the BCS National Championship game as a true freshman and a first team all sec as a sophomore. Reread that and tell me how dumb that sounds.
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