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Will Notre Dame win 7 games this year?

  • D-Mo said...

    I wasn't changing any subject. I didn't complain that "the whole country is underestimating ND". I'm glad people aren't expecting much. We really haven't earned it. I just feel this years team will do better is all is was saying. How did I complain about not getting the benefit of the doubt? I'm glad you guys are going to be ranked pre-season 12-20.thumbsup Beautiful!! What really matters is who is #1 at the end of the season.

    Well, you were going on about how you thought ND would surprise the nation. I'd like to know why you think that?

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  • OTPT said...

    Just in the past 2 years, a shit ton more than ND has.

    What exactly is a shit ton? Anything like a ton of shit? Claiming Conference Championships doesn't really count in this argument. ND not being in a conference doesn't fit that argument. Any National Championships for Sparty in the last 20 years? Here's a little breakdown for you:

    Sparty last won an AP National Championship in...1952. 60 years! Cubs like. Since then, these fellow B1G conference schools have won NC- OSU ('54, '68 & '02) Minn ('60) and UM ('97). Also, since your last rise to fame ND has won NC in '66, '73, '77 & '88. I did not include Penn St or Nebraska since they were not in your conference when they won their NCs. Good thing for Sparty.

    Anything else Sparty? clover

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Well, you were going on about how you thought ND would surprise the nation. I'd like to know why you think that?

    I wasn't going on. I simply stated a short opinion. I just feel with Floyd gone, it helps open up things for others. Tommy focused on Floyd all the time, and it was easy for teams to double team him. Most of the time that didn't stop Tommy from trying to throw it to him. We have really good players coming in and some that will need to step up. BK has had some good recruiting these last few years and it's time these kids played the way they can.

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  • D-Mo said...

    What exactly is a shit ton? Anything like a ton of shit? Claiming Conference Championships doesn't really count in this argument. ND not being in a conference doesn't fit that argument. Any National Championships for Sparty in the last 20 years? Here's a little breakdown for you:

    Sparty last won an AP National Championship in...1952. 60 years! Cubs like. Since then, these fellow B1G conference schools have won NC- OSU ('54, '68 & '02) Minn ('60) and UM ('97). Also, since your last rise to fame ND has won NC in '66, '73, '77 & '88. I did not include Penn St or Nebraska since they were not in your conference when they won their NCs. Good thing for Sparty.

    Anything else Sparty? clover

    great response to his question clover

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  • Simply, I would argue that the range/variance is even higher. Is Rees the QB all season? How many of the QBs play? Can they eliminate the game changing stomach punch turnovers?

    5-7 or 9-3 and it won't be somewhere in the middle.

    SDWolverine

  • D-Mo said...

    I wasn't going on. I simply stated a short opinion. I just feel with Floyd gone, it helps open up things for others. Tommy focused on Floyd all the time, and it was easy for teams to double team him. Most of the time that didn't stop Tommy from trying to throw it to him. We have really good players coming in and some that will need to step up. BK has had some good recruiting these last few years and it's time these kids played the way they can.

    Alright, that's fine. I just like to see where people are coming from. When someone says "I think Team X will surprise", and "Team X" hasn't done much in recent years, I'd like to know why the person thinks that.

    Since MSU plays ND every year I do pay attention to the Irish and I have more than a passing knowledge of the roster. With the unsettled QB position, the loss of Gray with no suitable replacement (your running game dropped off appreciably after he was injured, Wood had 0 100 yard games in your last 8 after 3 in your first 5), moving Riddick to RB means that TJ Jones, he of the 38 catches for 366 yards is your most experienced WR.

    Eifert is excellent, no doubt about it, but is there a deep threat on the roster right now? DaVaris Daniels?

    Defensively, the loss of Lynch really sucks. I still think your front 7 is good, but the CB depth is arguably worse than last year. Unless you're getting to the QB much more than last year, it could be a problem.

    I guess I'd put it this way: I only see 2 "sure Ls" in @OK and @USC, but I don't see a ton of sure Ws.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • D-Mo said...

    Like ND is the only school to go thru dry spells

    Alabama 1995-2007 before Saban, 13 years with only 4 seasons with 9 or more wins.

    Oklahoma 1988-1999 before Stoops, 12 years with no 10 win seasons, and only three 9 win seasons.

    USC 1980-2001 before Carroll, 22 years with only 5 seasons with 9 wins or more.

    Texas 1984-1997 before Mack Brown, 14 years with only 2 seasons with 9 wins or more.

    Notre Dame 1997-2011, 15 year period after Holtz, 5 seasons with 9 wins or more.

    I don't know why you chose 9 win seasons instead of 10 win seasons, but yes, most teams have had a down period. The question is, what have you done to come out of yours?

    Rivver

  • SDWolverine said...

    Simply, I would argue that the range/variance is even higher. Is Rees the QB all season? How many of the QBs play? Can they eliminate the game changing stomach punch turnovers?

    5-7 or 9-3 and it won't be somewhere in the middle.

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    I was going to go with 5-7, but I can't find the seventh team that they will lose to. I don't think they can win 9 games.

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  • BYU is trap game, the game before will be competitive and then they could be looking ahead to Oklahoma.

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  • Rivver said...

    I don't know why you chose 9 win seasons instead of 10 win seasons, but yes, most teams have had a down period. The question is, what have you done to come out of yours?

    in process bro....

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  • Under Review said...

    What has Notre Dame really added from last year's team? They lost Floyd who was their main offensive weapon and Smith who was one of the top two defensive players. There is still no stand out QB and will turnovers be an issue again this year? The running backs are average for a top team. The D line will be okay but can T'eo cover for the other LBs and secondary?

    buckeyemikey, don't sell Stanford short. With their line and running backs a good (not great) QB will win them a lot of games. Stanford will handle the domers with ease.

    No they won't. I'd like to say I agree with you (because I don't like Notre Dame) but then we'd both be wrong. Stanford is not a big time program (as far as football goes). You don't just replace Andrew Luck. They don't have the talent to win. I think Notre Dame will handle them with ease.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    If anyone is interesting in gambling the last time I checked their o/u on wins was something crazy like 8.5 or 9.5

    +170 for over 8.5
    -200 for under 8.5

    Also looked, and Notre Dame is a 2.5 point favorite over michigan right now.

    This post was edited by MJRuffalo on 7/11/2012 at 7:11 AM

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  • D-Mo said...

    What exactly is a shit ton? Anything like a ton of shit? Claiming Conference Championships doesn't really count in this argument. ND not being in a conference doesn't fit that argument. Any National Championships for Sparty in the last 20 years? Here's a little breakdown for you:

    Sparty last won an AP National Championship in...1952. 60 years! Cubs like. Since then, these fellow B1G conference schools have won NC- OSU ('54, '68 & '02) Minn ('60) and UM ('97). Also, since your last rise to fame ND has won NC in '66, '73, '77 & '88. I did not include Penn St or Nebraska since they were not in your conference when they won their NCs. Good thing for Sparty.

    Anything else Sparty? clover

    Go ahead and claim that '66 championship even though your bitch-ass coach played for the tie because he knew he couldn't beat the Spartans.

    I also love how you call MSU out for not winning a MNC in the last 20 years when ND hasn't done so either. This is the last resort of ND and UM fans when they're losing an argument. Point to shit that happened decades ago because you have no legitimate claim to being better today. You're like a 10 year-old saying "yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad!". Fucking pathetic.

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  • I asked what has MSU done, and I got the response a shit ton more than ND. So I ask again. What is it that Sparty has done so much more than ND. Remember, it's a shit ton.

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  • D-Mo said...

    I asked what has MSU done, and I got the response a shit ton more than ND. So I ask again. What is it that Sparty has done so much more than ND. Remember, it's a shit ton.

    Well, OTPT said "in the past 2 years a shit ton.". I think it's hard to argue that. 22 wins to ND's 16, a bowl victory over an SEC division champ, a national Coach of the Year award, and yes, a conference championship. Notre Dame didn't even have the best record among FBS independants in 2010 or 2011.

    I'd call that a shit ton more in two years.

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  • I see at least 7 wins, maybe 8 or 9.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    Alright, that's fine. I just like to see where people are coming from. When someone says "I think Team X will surprise", and "Team X" hasn't done much in recent years, I'd like to know why the person thinks that.

    Since MSU plays ND every year I do pay attention to the Irish and I have more than a passing knowledge of the roster. With the unsettled QB position, the loss of Gray with no suitable replacement (your running game dropped off appreciably after he was injured, Wood had 0 100 yard games in your last 8 after 3 in your first 5), moving Riddick to RB means that TJ Jones, he of the 38 catches for 366 yards is your most experienced WR.

    Eifert is excellent, no doubt about it, but is there a deep threat on the roster right now? DaVaris Daniels?

    Defensively, the loss of Lynch really sucks. I still think your front 7 is good, but the CB depth is arguably worse than last year. Unless you're getting to the QB much more than last year, it could be a problem.

    I guess I'd put it this way: I only see 2 "sure Ls" in @OK and @USC, but I don't see a ton of sure Ws.

    D-Mo, any thoughts on this? I know you think that they're going to start to play "the way they can", but could you tell me who you expect to step up and in what manner? I'm really just trying to find out more about your team.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    No they won't. I'd like to say I agree with you (because I don't like Notre Dame) but then we'd both be wrong. Stanford is not a big time program (as far as football goes). You don't just replace Andrew Luck. They don't have the talent to win. I think Notre Dame will handle them with ease.

    Before Harbaugh I would have agreed with you. He turned the whole atmosphere of that program around and it's continuing after he left. Look at their last two recruiting classes and if you can't see the talent there then I can't ever convince you.

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  • New QB, new secondary, losing best DL. Notre Dame is going to struggle at times, 7-5 seems likely to me.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    D-Mo, any thoughts on this? I know you think that they're going to start to play "the way they can", but could you tell me who you expect to step up and in what manner? I'm really just trying to find out more about your team.

    WR's I expect to step up Daniels and Davonte Neal. Koyak is a TE I expect to make a big jump his second year in the system. George Atkinson needs to make major waves this year. Ishaq Williams and Stephon Tuitt are two players on D that should improve drastically on D. Not concerned with Bennet Jackson at CB, the other CB slot the same can't be said. Sheldon Day should be a new face on the DL. That's just a few names off the top of my head.

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  • star69 said...

    WR's I expect to step up Daniels and Davonte Neal. Koyak is a TE I expect to make a big jump his second year in the system. George Atkinson needs to make major waves this year. Ishaq Williams and Stephon Tuitt are two players on D that should improve drastically on D. Not concerned with Bennet Jackson at CB, the other CB slot the same can't be said. Sheldon Day should be a new face on the DL. That's just a few names off the top of my head.

    That's the problem I have with ND though. You just listed 7 guys who have to step up for a successful season. Two of them are true freshmen and the rest are 2nd year players. When you are forced to rely on underclassmen stepping up at multiple positions, you're going to lose some games you "should" win.

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  • Nope. Next Question............

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  • stir

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 9/18/2012 at 12:31 PM

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  • 3-0 with wins over MSU, Navy, and Purdue. Natty here we come!

    Gotta love the Irish fanbase.

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