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Will someone (other SEC guys) explain the 25 Signee rule?

  • Why on earth did they even set a number of 25 if nobody is actually subject to it? I've heard that, "well you can back count this or forecount that", but why even put a fvcking number limit on it?

    Has this 25 limit rule changed anything at all?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RATT on 12/26/2012 at 10:29 PM

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  • RATT said...

    Why on earth did they even set a number of 25 if nobody is actually subject to it? I've heard that, "well you can back count this or forecount that", but why even put a fvcking number limit on it?

    Has this 25 limit rule changed anything at all?

    Not really. You can kinda get around if you have a lot of EE's.

    Take a look at Texas A&M and Georgia

    Jeff4SC ●

  • Signees not commits

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  • RATT said...

    Why on earth did they even set a number of 25 if nobody is actually subject to it? I've heard that, "well you can back count this or forecount that", but why even put a fvcking number limit on it?

    Has this 25 limit rule changed anything at all?

    If A&M and UGA can each sign 35+ players this year, let's face it ... it hasn't changed anything. That's what Houston Nutt was doing five years ago that everyone was getting upset about. It is a smoke and mirrors rule to deal with a PR problem. Substantively, nothing has changed.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/26/2012 at 10:18 PM

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    Not really. You can kinda get around if you have a lot of EE's.

    Take a look at Texas A&M and Georgia

    I understand that but doesn't that count against you the next year?

    I'm not putting Alabama out of this discussion and complaining that we don't do it and everyone else does. It seems like everyone is making a fool of the rule. I thought the whole purpose was to keep it where you couldn't make bad calls with your commits (grades, poor personalities, etc) and just get rid of them and replace them the next year.

    The whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean it looks like A&M is going to take about 37 kids or so. You can't tell me that even with early enrollees, that they only signed 13 kids last year.

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  • RATT said...

    I understand that but doesn't that count against you the next year?

    I'm not putting Alabama out of this discussion and complaining that we don't do it and everyone else does. It seems like everyone is making a fool of the rule. I thought the whole purpose was to keep it where you couldn't make bad calls with your commits (grades, poor personalities, etc) and just get rid of them and replace them the next year.

    The whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean it looks like A&M is going to take about 37 kids or so. You can't tell me that even with early enrollees, that they only signed 13 kids last year.

    Honestly, I don't think it should matter anyway but I get what you are saying.

    Jeff4SC ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Signees not commits

    Well I would assume that you aren't going to greyshirt 10 or so kids. I just don't see how it's even a rule. I'm truly asking how the schools are getting around it. Nobody is sticking to it. EE's shouldn't be an excuse since the rule has been around for a couple of years now. The EE's should now backcount to their previous signing class.

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  • RATT said...

    I understand that but doesn't that count against you the next year?

    I'm not putting Alabama out of this discussion and complaining that we don't do it and everyone else does. It seems like everyone is making a fool of the rule. I thought the whole purpose was to keep it where you couldn't make bad calls with your commits (grades, poor personalities, etc) and just get rid of them and replace them the next year.

    The whole thing just doesn't make any sense to me. I mean it looks like A&M is going to take about 37 kids or so. You can't tell me that even with early enrollees, that they only signed 13 kids last year.

    That's how it was sold and what we all thought it was, but apparently that's not how it works. If you creatively dump a player, you can sign an extra one. And there is no effective limit on how many you can dump.

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    Honestly, I don't think it should matter anyway but I get what you are saying.

    You've got to limit them somehow or we'll see the old practices from Coach Bryant's days crop back up. Yes, I realize what I just said is sacrilege.

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  • The 25 rule was a nice PR move, but not much more. As pointed out when it was established, a rule on 'oversigning' is ineffective unless it considers current roster size or relates to the 85 scholarship limit.

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  • We are only signing 25 kids in Feb brah shrug

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  • MrWoodson said...

    That's how it was sold and what we all thought it was, but apparently that's not how it works. If you creatively dump a player, you can sign an extra one. And there is no effective limit on how many you can dump.

    That is why I'm asking. I would honestly like to know. I know that my team "Bama" is always killed about "processing" players but we have still stayed around the 25 number rule since it was made. When I look at other schools signing 35 players I just wonder how the hell they get away with it. I really couldn't tell anyone if asked. It just seems like the number has absolutely no meaning. If they didn't want to stick to it, I don't get why they even did it.

    I'm seriously only asking so that I can somewhat know what I'm talking about when someone asks me. Right now, I don't know what the hell to tell people when they ask me why A&M and UGA can sign what they can. I'm not crying foul, just wondering how they do it.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    You've got to limit them somehow or we'll see the old practices from Coach Bryant's days crop back up. Yes, I realize what I just said is sacrilege.

    Meh.....schools should be able to operate how they want.

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    Meh.....schools should be able to operate how they want.

    That hardly seems fair.

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  • RATT said...

    Well I would assume that you aren't going to greyshirt 10 or so kids. I just don't see how it's even a rule. I'm truly asking how the schools are getting around it. Nobody is sticking to it. EE's shouldn't be an excuse since the rule has been around for a couple of years now. The EE's should now backcount to their previous signing class.

    It will show it's effect overtime. It will stop schools from oversigning more than 100 kids over 4 years and gaining an advantage.

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  • Face Stabber said...

    It will show it's effect overtime. It will stop schools from oversigning more than 100 kids over 4 years and gaining an advantage.

    When does this occur? Isn't this the third or fourth recruiting class since the rule was implemented? I can't remember the year that they did it. It was the year after Nutt signed 38 wasn't it?

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  • sf2k4 said...

    That hardly seems fair.

    It isn't really gaining an advantage. I've heard so many teams talk about Alabama oversigning and now they are doing the same thing.

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  • RATT said...

    That is why I'm asking. I would honestly like to know. I know that my team "Bama" is always killed about "processing" players but we have still stayed around the 25 number rule since it was made. When I look at other schools signing 35 players I just wonder how the hell they get away with it. I really couldn't tell anyone if asked. It just seems like the number has absolutely no meaning. If they didn't want to stick to it, I don't get why they even did it.

    I'm seriously only asking so that I can somewhat know what I'm talking about when someone asks me. Right now, I don't know what the hell to tell people when they ask me why A&M and UGA can sign what they can. I'm not crying foul, just wondering how they do it.

    I asked the same question a week or so ago, yet no one really could explain how the new rule changes anything. I also have looked extensively for a copy of the language of the new rule, but can't find it. As best I can tell, nothing has changed.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 12/26/2012 at 10:31 PM

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  • What is so hard to understand about the difference in commits and those actually signing a LOI? 25 scholarships per year, 85 total. No school in the nation exceeds that.

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  • Face Stabber said...

    It will show it's effect overtime. It will stop schools from oversigning more than 100 kids over 4 years and gaining an advantage.

    But that's part of the issue: It creates a ceiling of 100, rather than working around the limit of 85 scholarship players. I can understand a little leeway with players not qualifying, but that can be worked in.

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    It isn't really gaining an advantage. I've heard so many teams talk about Alabama oversigning and now they are doing the same thing.

    There's "oversigning" now and then there's what went down in the '60s. Totally different scenarios, I know, but that was the point I was making. We've got to draw the line somewhere.

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  • This whole thing goes into whether or not you think schollies should be 1 yr or 4 year as well

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  • Jeff4SC said...

    It isn't really gaining an advantage. I've heard so many teams talk about Alabama oversigning and now they are doing the same thing.

    If you look at our classes under Saban, we have averaged 25 kids a signing class plus or minus a kid.

    He signed 33 his first year I think, but two of them went pro in baseball. Even if you count them I think we have averaged 26 signees a year during his 6 years here so far and we will be right at that this year.

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  • Face Stabber said...

    It will show it's effect overtime. It will stop schools from oversigning more than 100 kids over 4 years and gaining an advantage.

    No, it won't.

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  • VTSmitty said...

    What is so hard to understand about the difference in commits and those actually signing a LOI? 25 scholarships per year, 85 total. No school in the nation exceeds that.

    That's what I don't get. As long as we're adhering to the 85 rule, what is everyone so up in arms about?

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