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Moral Complexity: There is some moral complexity to WoT, but it mostly has to do with relationships and duty, as opposed to greed and ambition in ASoIaF. I don't think WoT is left in the dust but I would agree that the other is more morally complex. But I don't find whole chapters about a characters moral dilemma interesting, which contributes to my boredom with Martin.
Tone/Writing style: I like the way that Jordan/Sanderson write more than Martin because I feel like Jordan does more of switching to another character in a POV chapter because they're part of the same plot. Like the chapter is POV from Character A but B is involved and therefore has a section of that chapter from their POV. It seems like Martin skips around more to build suspense, which I don't like.
Plot: I agree with you here, but I also really like how there's people willing to deny Rand to further their own ends, there's people who agree to support him but are concerned about leaving their families alone. Again, coming out of of the moral complexity thing, but I like it. On the other hand, I *HATE* how there are stories in Martin's work that...I really just think are boring subplots that add nothing to the story. A lot of the kid's stories in there just seem boring and don't contribute anything IMO, whereas most of the subplots in WoT advance main characters somehow or add to the main storyline of good vs. evil.
Anyway, those were the parts of your post I wanted to discuss, haha.
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Totally agree on Sanderson's work. You could feel him trying to adjust in The Gathering Storm; it almost felt like a great fan-fiction than the next book in the series.
I feel like he knocked the Towers of Midnight out of the park.
Mat may be my favorite character in either series, though Tyrion is a close second.
I also like that the "good guys" in Wheel of Time have some power of their own; feels like everyone in a Song of Fire and Ice is super-desperate/weak.
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Sanderson deserves props for making Perrin awesome alone.
Mat > Rand > Tyrion > Lan > Arya
You don't see enough of Rand from books 8-10. When you do see him, it's awesome, but it's almost all about what happens around him. Lan is sweet, but again, he's in the series much less than Rand.
We'll see what happens with Jon Snow (I don't want to put any spoilers in here), but he can jump into that list pretty quickly.
On a side note, Rand has enough power by himself to concur all of Westeros
. Kind of funny to compare him in scope and power to say, Jon Snow. If someone taunted Rand about killing his father/friends, I'm pretty sure he's just Travel to that local and make a 1 mile crater where that person's house/castle/army stood 
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Moral complexity: I like both series for their different takes. It's nice to know the good/evil guys, but Jordan also did a great job of only making SURE you knew that a set # of characters were good or evil. There are good characters that turn out to be working for the evil guys and vice-versa. Guessing at the who's doing what for whom was always a big part of the series (though most of those have been resolved).
Tone: This kind of ties in with the plot; you know where Jordan is heading ("Last Battle"), but you don't know where Martin is going. It's easier to see how subplot X advances the main line in Jordan, but you're left wondering why exactly person X matters in a Song of Ice and Fire. I suspect Book 6 will cast a lot of the stuff that happened in Book 4 in a new light.
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You don't see enough of Rand from books 8-10. When you do see him, it's awesome, but it's almost all about what happens around him. Lan is sweet, but again, he's in the series much less than Rand.
We'll see what happens with Jon Snow (I don't want to put any spoilers in here), but he can jump into that list pretty quickly.
On a side note, Rand has enough power by himself to concur all of Westeros . Kind of funny to compare him in scope and power to say, Jon Snow. If someone taunted Rand about killing his father/friends, I'm pretty sure he's just Travel to that local and make a 1 mile crater where that person's house/castle/army stood
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TalHawkins112 said...
True, Rand is ridiculously powerful but without angreal or sa'angreal, there's still one or two Forsaken who are his match, because if I'm not mistaken he only has as much power as Lews Therin, correct?
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Lews was slightly stronger than Ishmael, who was/is the strongest Forsaken. I think Rahvin and Aginor were close.
Pretty sure Rand takes out that whole shadow-spawn army that's laying siege to Rodel Itulrade without any an/sangreal; his power level went through the roof after the end of the Gathering Storm.
I could be incorrect though; I started A Song of Ice and Fire after I finished the Towers of Midnight so it's been close to a year since I picked up the series.
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Sorry to hijack this thread but how would you guys compare The Dark Tower to these other two series?
Totally and completely different. DT is science fiction/horror that is Stephen King's dabble into fantasy. Great series (on book 6), but it's hard to compare it. Much smaller cast of characters and is not as sprawling in scope (though it does deal with the fate of the entire universe and every plane of existence
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Totally and completely different. DT is science fiction/horror that is Stephen King's dabble into fantasy. Great series (on book 6), but it's hard to compare it. Much smaller cast of characters and is not as sprawling in scope (though it does deal with the fate of the entire universe and every plane of existence
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TalHawkins112 said...
There are like 12 books currently I believe...and the final book is being split into two I think.
They only come out like every 2 years so it's easy to keep up but I'm lazy.
As for comparing it, if you ever read the Sword of Truth series, it's like the early books of that, except Jordan never got caught up in the undertones of ideology in his work and kept it awesome, unlike Goodkind.
It's about good versus evil at it's heart but it follows a host of good characters who work in their different ways. Occasionally it will also have a chapter about an evil character so the reader knows more about what's going on than the good characters.
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Man what a tough decision. I read WoT back in middle school and high school and recently caught up with the few that had come out since then. Also read GoT like 2 years ago and was instantly hooked. They are both so good I don't think I could pick. Anyone looking for a 3rd option should check out the Malazan series, I'm on book 2.
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I've read EVERYTHING in this genre except terry pratchett...was never interested....and I read the malazan books but just never really liked them. Like the Glen Cook Black Company books...read em...but meh. but I know a ton of people love the malazan books.
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Sanderson is a machine of a writer. Aside from his Epic Fantasy he started he also has the Mistborn Series which are pretty good. The magic is done really well in them.
Anybody read Abercrombie's the First Law trilogy or the two stand alone books that followed? Good gritty fantasy. He has knack for dialogue. I think anyways.
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cockengr said...
Wheel of Time Song of Fire and Ice though the 5th book to me was very disappointing Dark Tower Death Gate Cycle
got to put those 4 in a group together.
For enjoyment of reading though possibly not of the same from a quality standpoint:
Vlad Taltos books by Steven Brust Otherland and also Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams all of the Raymond Feist Midkemia books starting with Magician First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (couple follow up books after that are good too) Prince of Nothing by R Scott Bakker Gentleman Bastards by Scott Lynch Enders Game by Orson Scott Card Recluce Series by L.E. Modesitt
all of the Robin Hobb trilogies are worth reading also
Harry Turtledove series World at War is pretty cool...historical fiction of World War 2 recreated in fantasy setting....interesting.
I am sure I am leaving some good books out.
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haha couldn't have said it better about Goodkind. what a waste. I even liked the 6th book (Faith of the Fallen?) where he is carving the statue...that was the first book where he started on his rants....but after that it dissolved into crap.
Tal, have you read Death Gate Cycle? Should look it up if not....first fantasy series I ever read.
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