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Women now allowed in combat jobs

  • I don't know how this is going to work out.

    Panetta opens combat roles to women

    Groundbreaking move overturns a 1994 rule.

    www.usatoday.com
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  • That's a pretty neutral reaction. Normally when you start a thread, it's to declare outrage and/or add somebody to the idiot list. This is new.

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  • Final Countdown said...

    That's a pretty neutral reaction. Normally when you start a thread, it's to declare outrage and/or add somebody to the idiot list. This is new.

    Expressing uncertainty about how something will work/turn out is probably USMCAG's way of saying "This is censored-ing censored, but if I really express what I think people will know I'm racist/sexist/whatever."

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  • CMXI said...

    Expressing uncertainty about how something will work/turn out is probably USMCAG's way of saying "This is censored-ing censored, but if I really express what I think people will know I'm racist/sexist/whatever."

    No, I don't care what people think. We are brought up to protect women in our society. This will be hard to change.

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  • Just read it....

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  • Bad move IMO. When women are captured, it will be used against us tenfold compared to what happens when a male is captured.

    This post was edited by rollingtide2004 on 1/23/2013 at 3:09 PM

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    Bad move IMO. When women are captured, it will be used against us tenfold compared to what happens when a male is captured.

    Shhh! You're being a biggot.

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  • USMCAG said...

    Shhh! You're being a biggot.

    Just stating the facts.

    ROLL TIDE!

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    Just stating the facts.

    I agree, I was being sarcastic.

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  • If the woman is good at it, I say let her do it.

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  • These women know if they are captured they'll be raped. They want to defend their country and many of them are way beyond competent. No brainer.

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    Bad move IMO. When women are captured, it will be used against us tenfold compared to what happens when a male is captured.

    Women from the supply chain were already captured during the Iraq war. It didn't really seem to raise all that much concern. I wonder how close the armed forces could get to the equality shown in the cheezy 'Starship Troopers' movie.

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  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    I wonder how close the armed forces could get to the equality shown in the cheezy 'Starship Troopers' movie.

    lol Well if they all looked like Denise Richards...

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  • fsufsu said...

    These women know if they are captured they'll be raped. They want to defend their country and many of them are way beyond competent. No brainer.

    And considering how often military women are raped by fellow soldiers, many of them carry the knowledge that rape is a possibility regardless of capture.

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  • Cool. If a woman wants to be on the front lines, why shouldn't she have that opportunity?

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  • The problem is that most American male soldiers tend to put themselves into harms way to overprotect other woman soldiers due to our society's being taught to protect women. That won't work in a combat situation under live gun fire when everyone has to do their job and not leave to go protect someone else.

    BTW, on another problem with this, are women strong enough to carry full body armor, a full backpback, and guns into combat without wearing down physically? They certainly are not going to be able to do as much as a male soldier.

    But who knows, maybe the army only plans on putting them in things like tanks and such where their physically limitations will not be a hinderance.

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  • robert1975 said...

    BTW, on another problem with this, are women strong enough to carry full body armor, a full backpback, and guns into combat without wearing down physically? They certainly are not going to be able to do as much as a male soldier.

    I heard a story on NPR about this - women would potentially have to pass a physical fitness test in order to be allowed for these combat jobs.

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  • robert1975 said...

    The problem is that most American male soldiers tend to put themselves into harms way to overprotect other woman soldiers due to our society's being taught to protect women. That won't work in a combat situation under live gun fire when everyone has to do their job and not leave to go protect someone else.

    BTW, on another problem with this, are women strong enough to carry full body armor, a full backpback, and guns into combat without wearing down physically? They certainly are not going to be able to do as much as a male soldier.

    But who knows, maybe the army only plans on putting them in things like tanks and such where their physically limitations will not be a hinderance.

    On your first point, do you have any evidence of that? I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never seen anything to indicate that that's actually a phenomenon.

    Also, obviously, physical requirements would be in place for female soldiers, but there are plenty of women who can carry as much as a man is required to. Saying stuff like "They certainly are not going to be able to do as much as a male soldier." is just stupid and sexist.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Cool. If a woman wants to be on the front lines, why shouldn't she have that opportunity?

    For a lot of reasons, and its not a sexist thing for I think some women can be more than sufficient soldiers

    My biggest gripe over it was the fact it hurts moral in many cases, cause you gotta remember lots of units are just young, jacked up young men who don't use their brains very well in extreme situations to begin with

    Is that fair ? no, but its life

    And moral is a big enough problem as it is

    I could go on but won't

    The military is a giant mess though, this is the last issue that I care about for its not even close to an actual problem compared to everything else that is going on inside the US military

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    My biggest gripe over it was the fact it hurts moral in many cases, cause you gotta remember lots of units are just young, jacked up young men who don't use their brains very well in extreme situations to begin with

    Could you elaborate on this a bit more? I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.

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  • CMXI said...

    On your first point, do you have any evidence of that? I'm not saying you're wrong, I've just never seen anything to indicate that that's actually a phenomenon.

    Also, obviously, physical requirements would be in place for female soldiers, but there are plenty of women who can carry as much as a man is required to. Saying stuff like "They certainly are not going to be able to do as much as a male soldier." is just stupid and sexist.

    I read an article about it happening in other countries armies about 8 years ago, and no I can't link it, it has been to long ago.

    Stating that women on a high percentage average are physically weaker than an average guy isn't sexist, its reality. There are some exceptions, but the vast majority of women are not as physically strong as an average guy. That's just the facts of life. But as long as there are physical requirements that are equal to a fellow male front line combat soldier, I'm satsified with that.

    This post was edited by robert1975 on 1/23/2013 at 5:20 PM

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  • robert1975 said...

    I read an article about it happening in other countries armies about 8 years ago, and no I can't link it, it has been to long ago.

    Stating that women on a high percentage average are physically weaker than an average guy isn't sexist, its reality. There are some exceptions, but the vast majority of women are not as physically strong as an average guy. That's just the facts of life. But as long as their are physical requirements that are equal to a fellow male front line combat soldier, I'm satsified with that.

    Exactly. It's sexist to say that women shouldn't be allowed on the front lines simply because they're women, but it's equally sexist to come from the other side and say something like, "Women can do everything these men can, so put us out there!" There should be a baseline physical and mental exam required to be on the frontlines (for everyone) and if a woman can pass it, good for her.

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  • GONIG BUCK said...

    Could you elaborate on this a bit more? I'm genuinely curious as to what you mean.

    You gotta think about how sexist and frankly just plain stupid some young soldiers are, and in the heat of battle you want your men as focused and confident as possible

    This was my biggest concern with it, now obviously not all units are the same but I can assure you that sometimes things get really ugly out there and moral in wartime is bad enough, and the last thing most units need is to add fuel to this fire

    All this being said, I have served with women who I wouldn't mind having next to me in wartime, but sadly not everybody thinks the same on this issue and certainly not all women that want to fight know full well what it is they are truly getting into

    The other main problem is we work side by side with lots of Muslims right now, and that are offended by it.... the hate the fact we allow women to defend them and I agree with them for its their culture, we should respect some of their wishes if we ever expect them to fully begin to trust the US and our intentions

    This is one of the main reasons Osama BL turned on America back in the early 90's, he despised the fact we said no to his help and then used women to defend Saudi's from Iraqi's

    I could go on for days, I think for now we should keep things as is and worry about the real problems at hand

    But we won't and this is why I quit the life and will never return, the US military is a giant cluster fuk of bullshit and idiocy right now, its truly sad

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 1/23/2013 at 5:15 PM

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  • robert1975 said...

    I read an article about it happening in other countries armies about 8 years ago, and no I can't link it, it has been to long ago.

    Stating that women on a high percentage average are physically weaker than an average guy isn't sexist, its reality. There are some exceptions, but the vast majority of women are not as physically strong as an average guy. That's just the facts of life. But as long as there are physical requirements that are equal to a fellow male front line combat soldier, I'm satsified with that.

    See, if you had mentioned averages, it wouldn't be a big deal. Your post spoke in absolutes. I completely agree that the average man is stronger than the average woman, that's a fact.

    However, I would imagine that the average female in the army is considerably stronger than just the average female, so even the "averages" argument loses a bit of steam there.

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  • USMCAG said...

    I don't know how this is going to work out.

    Will end with more males getting killed trying to protect the females more than before.

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