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I say they are still much improved from over the years.
Look at it this way. From 1992-2000 (9 years), FSU lost 2 conference games.
Since then, from 2001-2012 (12 years), they have lost 32 conference games on the field (not counting the vacated games).
It's a down year for sure, but the conference is still much better and more balanced than it has been in the past. Even today, if they can get Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Va Tech at full strength together, that would be a good conference. To me the upside of the ACC could be greater than that of the Big12 in the long run, depending on how the Big12 expands IF they do.
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Texas, Oklahoma, WVU is a better top 3 than FSU, Clemson, and VT.
After that, it isn't even a debate that the Big 12 is deeper. I would have loved for WVU to play an ACC schedule this year instead of the Big 12 schedule.
I mean, The highest ACC SOS is around 45... I don't think there is a single Big 12 school with an SOS that low.
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Texas, Oklahoma, WVU is a better top 3 than FSU, Clemson, and VT.
After that, it isn't even a debate that the Big 12 is deeper. I would have loved for WVU to play an ACC schedule this year instead of the Big 12 schedule.
I mean, The highest ACC SOS is around 45... I don't think there is a single Big 12 school with an SOS that low.
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BetterOff said...
I say they are still much improved from over the years.
Look at it this way. From 1992-2000 (9 years), FSU lost 2 conference games.
Since then, from 2001-2012 (12 years), they have lost 32 conference games on the field (not counting the vacated games).
It's a down year for sure, but the conference is still much better and more balanced than it has been in the past. Even today, if they can get Miami, FSU, Clemson, and Va Tech at full strength together, that would be a good conference. To me the upside of the ACC could be greater than that of the Big12 in the long run, depending on how the Big12 expands IF they do.
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I absolutely agree. ACC still has teams in the talent rich states of Georgia, Florida, etc. The B12 has the state of Texas. In the end it is about the recruits and the ACC has a much better base of talent. Now they need to get some coaching. I think Miami has the right coach and will be good as soon as the sanctions will permit them.
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Coaching...This is the worst coaching staff WVU has had since 1979. Don Nehlen started his 21 year span in 1980.
Seriously... The talent is there. Dana(who is a good play caller, but bad head coach) hired Joe DeForest. Guy was passed up by Les Miles once, and Mike Gundy twice for the DC position at OSU. Dana gets to WVU and hires this hack to run the defense. Its laughable, and its led to having the worst defense in WVU history statistically. That's pretty much the bottom line.
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I agree with you in the short term. The next couple of years could be average, but I think they would be average even if they had Geno and Co. coming back. Their problem is that they have absolutely nothing on defense. I don't mean just poor tackling, I mean poor players. It will take a couple of year to fix that no matter who is on offense.
Long term though, they may not be OU or what Texas should be, but the can fit in where Okie St and Kansas St are in the conference, IMO.
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