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any followers of "Darwin's theory" here?

  • sf2k4 said...

    When asked if they'd heard of Christ and their response was, "No," I'd say that's proof.

    Do you have concrete proof?

    Jeff4SC

  • sf2k4 said...

    But what about the people I keep asking about? How can they accept Him if they've never heard of Him?

    If you're not just asking rhetorically I know the answer to this... The theological answer anyway.

    brem22

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Seriously, take a course in logic.

    "You have no proof they didn't" and "God works in mysterious ways" can essentially be translated to "I'm done thinking".

    No, it doesn't mean that. It means that is what I believe.

    Jeff4SC

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Do you have concrete proof?

    Do you believe in Santa clause? Where's the proof against him?

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    wutang148713

  • fsufsu said...

    You think its a pretty good question because you thought the drake equation was a pertinent and poignant post. lol

    Not familiar with the drake equation. Dude, you put a lot of effort into trying to communicate over the heads of those you are talking to. Is that purposeful, or do you just not know any better?

    VTSmitty ●

  • Jeff4SC said...

    No, it doesn't mean that. It means that is what I believe.

    "This is what I believe" is also another way of saying, "I'm done thinking or talking about this."

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • VTSmitty said...

    Not familiar with the drake equation. Dude, you put a lot of effort into trying to communicate over the heads of those you are talking to. Is that purposeful, or do you just not know any better?

    Serious question....is he not the one who has been on this board preaching Christianity?

    It was some FSU fan and I'm almost certain it was him.

    Jeff4SC

  • sf2k4 said...

    When asked if they'd heard of Christ and their response was, "No," I'd say that's proof.

    Not good enough.. they were obviously lying. lol

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    Clarkw267 ●

  • wutang148713 said...

    If religion was disproven I think the world would go into full depression mode. There would be a lot less sanity, and we would become inefficient. I for one have become a nealist believing nothing matters in life and eventually everything will be gone. With faith that wouldn't be the case. This world may actually be better off with people having hope for an afterlife.

    The problem with this line of thinking is that you're actively choosing who to oppress vs. whose feelings to spare.

    While I recognize that faith is a great comfort to many people, I don't think it's worth the pain and harm it causes. I don't think people are inherently entitled to their faith unless it in no way negatively affects anyone else. If the only reason people behave is for fear of retribution in the afterlife, we're doing it wrong. Public behavior should be governed by fear of retribution on earth.

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    CMXI ●

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Do you have concrete proof?

    If a native people were familiar with the teachings of Christ, missionaries wouldn't go teach to them. That's the whole point of missions: To spread the word of Christ to those that do not know. So yes, that's concrete proof.

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    sf2k4

  • In reference to the original post. There are no "followers" of evolution, and no "darwanism", at least, not in the way you intend them. There are people that understand the Theory of Evolution to a greater or lesser extent, and believe it to be the most logical and evidence based explanation of the diversity and distribution of life on our planet. Your couching of the terms used in the original post point to the source of your information on the subject.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Seriously, take a course in logic.

    "You have no proof they didn't" and "God works in mysterious ways" can essentially be translated to "I'm done thinking".

    Wow! you actually know what he is thinking and what his beliefs are. That is impressive.

    VTSmitty ●

  • CMXI said...

    Personally, I'd love to disprove religion. Do you know how much pain and suffering has been and continues to be dealt out in the name of religion? Just imagine: a world with no religious condemnation of homosexuality (or any "deviant" behavior), a world with no jihad, a world with no Crusades and no constant religious war between Israel and the rest of the Muslim world - a world where women's health choices aren't dictated by antiquated doctrines, a world with no Inquisition, and a world without the church structure that covers up the rape of children.

    That's the reason I have for trying to disprove religion.

    I get that... But I'd much rather live with that than a world based off natural selection.

    Shane8773

  • Shane8773 said...

    I get that... But I'd much rather live with that than a world based off natural selection.

    Evolution does not equal social darwinism. I feel like I've said this 5 times in this thread.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Honestly, I don't care what evidence you have. Each person chooses his/her path. If one chooses to not believe that is on them.

    Hope you got the right version, for your sake.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    I believe in evolution because of the overwhelming amount of evidence that supports it. A good place to start is here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

    Quite frankly, even a brief examination of genetic codes of related species leaves only 2 options:
    1. Evolution by natural selection
    2. God deliberately imitating evolution by theory of natural selection

    As for the whole, "are we descended from primates" thing. Overwhelming evidence says, yes.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)

    It is quite clear from genetic analysis that the difference between humans and other great ape descendants is the fusion of ape chromosomes 2p and 2q in order to form the human chromosome 2.

    By the way, your sentence, "I am not a believer in evolution" is hardly specific enough. Do you not believe that the genetic composition (and as a result the phenotypic traits) of organisms change over time? Or do you not understand/believe the selection of the most fit species as the driver for this change?

    What th OP means by not believing in evolution is that he believes we just all appeared here and we have been here for only a few thousand years not changing at all. Even though we all understand that the flu virus is constantly is evolving at a cellular level. But that's not really evolution.( atleast thats what my friend says LOL.)

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    CrimsonTemplar

  • VTSmitty said...

    Not familiar with the drake equation. Dude, you put a lot of effort into trying to communicate over the heads of those you are talking to. Is that purposeful, or do you just not know any better?

    You have the internet, it takes two seconds to google "Drake equation." This opposition to the elevation of discourse is ridiculous - people don't want to hear about anything unless they already know and understand what it is. Hooray for anti-intellectualism.

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    CMXI ●

  • CMXI said...

    Public behavior should be governed by fear of retribution on earth.

    Or possibily by the idea of doing the right thing because it is the right thing, not because you will get in trouble if you don't

    VTSmitty ●

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Hope you got the right version, for your sake.

    I could say the same for you.

    Jeff4SC

  • Shane8773 said...

    I get that... But I'd much rather live with that than a world based off natural selection.

    Why? Your personal comfort in knowing that we didn't evolve from an apelike ancestor is more important than all the lives of all the people who have been negatively affected by religion? Who are you to make that judgment?

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    CMXI ●

  • CrimsonTemplar said...

    What th OP means by not believing in evolution is that he believes we just all appeared here and we have been here for only a few thousand years not changing at all. Even though we all understand that the flu virus is constantly is evolving at a cellular level. But that's not really evolution.( atleast thats what my friend says LOL.)

    Your friend is wrong. Evolution is change in organisms over time.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • sf2k4 said...

    I still want to know what happens (happened) to the native peoples who were born, lived, and died with their ancient beliefs (worshipping the sun, multiple gods, etc.) and never were introduced to Christianity. Were they just SoL? shrug

    Ssshhhh! As Christians we try not to think about those things. It's best to ignore certain things or just make sh!t up.

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    CrimsonTemplar

  • Evolution still will never explain where morals came from and are they constantly changing?

    Shane8773

  • VTSmitty said...

    Or possibily by the idea of doing the right thing because it is the right thing, not because you will get in trouble if you don't

    Nobody gets in trouble for inaction (except in cases involving legal duties to act). There's a difference between "not doing the right thing" and "doing the wrong thing." The argument for religion that I was addressing is that religion keeps people from "doing the wrong thing." The issue of inspiring people to "do the right thing" is an entirely different matter.

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    CMXI ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Your friend is wrong. Evolution is change in organisms over time.

    Yea I try and explain this but the brainwashing is strong with him.

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    CrimsonTemplar

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