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Evolution is based on evidence that has been observed. There is a great amount of this evidence. When evidence is found to contradict previous conclusions, those conclusions are abandoned, and new beliefs based on the new evidence take their place. This "seeing is believing" basis for the theory is exactly the opposite of the sort of faith implied by your claim.
As to macro evolution specifically;
1.We would not expect to observe large changes directly. Evolution consists mainly of the accumulation of small changes over large periods of time. If we saw something like a fish turning into a frog in just a couple generations, we would have good evidence against evolution.
2.The evidence for evolution does not depend, even a little, on observing macroevolution directly. There is a very great deal of other evidence. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA202.html
3.As biologists use the term, macroevolution means evolution at or above the species level. Speciation has been observed and documented. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB910.html
4.Microevolution has been observed and is taken for granted even by creationists. And because there is no known barrier to large change and because we can expect small changes to accumulate into large changes, microevolution implies macroevolution. Small changes to developmental genes or their regulation can cause relatively large changes in the adult organism (Shapiro et al. 2004).
5.There are many transitional forms that show that macroevolution has occurred
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I don't know for a fact that Christianity is the only way to heaven. I think the fact that there are so many religions that all have the same central belief is proof that we were created by a central God
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fsufsu said...
What central belief is that? Because you just took my point of the physical origin of these historic messengers and broadened to sound like they share actual doctrinal agreements. Which they dont.
Shane its obvious, you are a kinda Christian who has a lot of questions. Keep asking questions but just understand, believing that when you die there will be a god standing there to either receive or denounce you is not going to find any kind of factual basis going forward or looking back. Luckily for you the Bible calls the faith required to be saved "foolishness to man" so just declare you think all the science is ridiculous and that Christ rose from the dead. Trying to find some agreeable middle ground will turn you into a truly weird person doctrinally with no home./
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It's pretty simple.
1. Christianity and the acceptance of evolutionary biology are not mutually exclusive. Only a micro-sized minority of "Christians" object to the science. Even the effing Pope is on board with it.
2. Creation "Science", intelligent design, neocreationism et al are
They are as profoundly stupid as believing the earth is flat. This is immutable fact. brem22
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fsufsu said...
The actually interesting phenomena in religion is that thousands of cultures have created different gods and back stories but essentially every single one of them has shared core factors. "God" never comes out of a lake, or arrives on a horse, god always comes from above or sends messengers "from above". You have historic civilizations that claim alien encounters (perceivably) and then you have 750+ religions claiming beings from above came down and told us of their superiority and they glowed, shone like the sun, etc.
That's the interesting parts. The central core of each of these religions which largely align.
"Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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It's pretty simple.
1. Christianity and the acceptance of evolutionary biology are not mutually exclusive. Only a micro-sized minority of "Christians" object to the science. Even the effing Pope is on board with it.
2. Creation "Science", intelligent design, neocreationism et al are
They are as profoundly stupid as believing the earth is flat. This is immutable fact.
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We talked about this in a religion course that I took. Some some theory, can't remember the name of it, but it basically suggests that most religions are really identical and believe in the same God and hold the same beliefs. Each different religion was just another way to reach the top of the mountain.
Sounds a little like hippie mumbo-jumbo, but it makes a lot of sense
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any followers of "Darwin's theory" here?