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[clap] for The Michigan Legislature

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    edit: also clap to Gov. Snyder when he signs this

    This post was edited by irishyoung on 12/11/2012 at 1:24 PM

    Michigan Legislature gives final approval to right-to-work limiting unions, sends to governor - The Washington Post

    The Republican-led Michigan House has approved a contentious right-to-work bill limiting unions strength.

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  • High Five!!!

    Johns381

  • Johns381 said...

    High Five!!!

    cheers

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  • I guess it's back to 12 hour work days for $0.10/hour and being beaten by a foreman with a bullwhip without the unions. megaphone

    PTCcock195

  • PTCcock195 said...

    I guess it's back to 12 hour work days for $0.10/hour and being beaten by a foreman with a bullwhip without the unions. megaphone

    lol thought it was 14 hour work days?

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  • RTW will not mean any less unions in Michigan. It just finally holds the accountable.
    While I support it, this is bad timing and makes Snyder go back on a campaign promise.

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  • I'm not a big fan of unions or RTW. I don't think it's the right or fair way to deal with WPU.

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  • Michigan Republicans have accomplished the impossible. They've actually managed to get people to stand up and cheer as they take money out of the working population's pockets. It's pretty impressive, if you think about it.

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  • CMXI said...

    Michigan Republicans have accomplished the impossible. They've actually managed to get people to stand up and cheer as they take money out of the working population's pockets. It's pretty impressive, if you think about it.

    I haven't heard a good explanation on how this takes a dime out of Anyone pocket. Why are you against people having choices? If the union is good, people will join. If it isn't, people won't. This puts pressure on the unions to do a better job.

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  • Yeah the whole idea RTW legislation is going to take money out of someones pocket or kill unions is BS. All it means is Unions dont get to sit on their ass and do nothing, all while collecting dues from workers.

    Mr Giggles181090

  • CMXI said...

    Michigan Republicans have accomplished the impossible. They've actually managed to get people to stand up and cheer as they take money out of the working population's pockets. It's pretty impressive, if you think about it.

    Sounds like they're taking money out of the unions' pockets. But what do I know, all I did was read the article.

    I'd probably be mad too if a state didn't allow my political party's campaigning/lobbying arm to force money out of people's pockets.

    PTCcock195

  • Rocket_Play said...

    I haven't heard a good explanation on how this takes a dime out of Anyone pocket. Why are you against people having choices? If the union is good, people will join. If it isn't, people won't. This puts pressure on the unions to do a better job.

    What's the incentive to join the union if you get the benefits of being unionized without paying the dues? shrug

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  • Unions have destroyed this country.

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  • If you work in a union plant and aren't in the union your life is miserable and you'll be run off very quickly.

    Mr Giggles181090

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    What's the incentive to join the union if you get the benefits of being unionized without paying the dues? shrug

    What's the incentive to get a job and pay taxes if you lose the benefits by getting a job and paying taxes?

    PTCcock195

  • PTCcock195 said...

    What's the incentive to get a job and pay taxes if you lose the benefits by getting a job and paying taxes?

    Any wages>any benefits=incentive

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    I haven't heard a good explanation on how this takes a dime out of Anyone pocket. Why are you against people having choices? If the union is good, people will join. If it isn't, people won't. This puts pressure on the unions to do a better job.

    I'm not usually a fan of posting a link without significant explanation, but frankly, this link explains it better than I can off the top of my head.

    Right-To-Work Means Lower Wages For All Workers | Addicting Info

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/10/right-to-work-means-lower-wages-for-all-workers/

    www.addictinginfo.org
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  • CMXI said...

    I'm not usually a fan of posting a link without significant explanation, but frankly, this link explains it better than I can off the top of my head.

    You should want lower wages, know why?

    The hardest workers will get rewarded the most. The other way is the equivalent of communism. Company isn't gonna pay top dogs less or another guy will open a company and pay the best more. Crushes the competition.

    Unions were a necessity in the 20's, but they're obsolete now.

    CoachGomez214

  • Coach-Gomez said...

    You should want lower wages, know why?

    The hardest workers will get rewarded the most. The other way is the equivalent of communism. Company isn't gonna pay top dogs less or another guy will open a company and pay the best more. Crushes the competition.

    Unions were a necessity in the 20's, but they're obsolete now.

    Your post is very hard to read.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    I haven't heard a good explanation on how this takes a dime out of Anyone pocket. Why are you against people having choices? If the union is good, people will join. If it isn't, people won't. This puts pressure on the unions to do a better job.

    I agree
    i worked at a job shop in Detroit that done work for the big 3, they treated us just as good as anyone in the UAW, without all the union due's, so much so my grandfather retired from there with a very nice retirement plan.
    Unions were a good thing at one time, it seems now they are worried more about the money than the well being of the worker

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  • I agree with the inflexible adaptability of unions, but does anyone have a problem with the law being a product of politics and bad law?

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  • Unions enter into contracts with the employers, so if you are a member of the union and they get you a good contract (ie better pay and benefits), you will want to pay your dues. If you are not a member of a Union, you will not get the same benefits of the Union Contract and normally employers do not offer the same benefits to non unionize workers bc they want to save money.

    RTW means the Unions will have to prove to the membership they are worth the dues they pay. If not, they can try to negotiate on their own, which normally does not work out great.

    What is the difference between a monopoly or a union that requires everyone to be a member at a shop.

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  • People are missing the point about "lower wages". In reality, it probably does mean lower wages for many union members. However, it probably means more jobs for all.

    This is as non-partisan as I can make it: When you work on an assembly line of a car manufacturer and the union demands that you're paid $35/hr, plus benefits and pension. That does 2 things... it raises the price of the car and/or it limits the amount of people the manufacturer can hire. The price of an American car goes up, less people buy it and then the company has to lay-off workers. Its such an insanely simple thing to understand that I don't know how anyone can debate it.

    VegasTide

  • pcgamecock2001 said...

    Unions enter into contracts with the employers, so if you are a member of the union and they get you a good contract (ie better pay and benefits), you will want to pay your dues. If you are not a member of a Union, you will not get the same benefits of the Union Contract and normally employers do not offer the same benefits to non unionize workers bc they want to save money.

    RTW means the Unions will have to prove to the membership they are worth the dues they pay. If not, they can try to negotiate on their own, which normally does not work out great.

    What is the difference between a monopoly or a union that requires everyone to be a member at a shop.

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  • VegasTide said...

    People are missing the point about "lower wages". In reality, it probably does mean lower wages for many union members. However, it probably means more jobs for all.

    This is as non-partisan as I can make it: When you work on an assembly line of a car manufacturer and the union demands that you're paid $35/hr, plus benefits and pension. That does 2 things... it raises the price of the car and/or it limits the amount of people the manufacturer can hire. The price of an American car goes up, less people buy it and then the company has to lay-off workers. Its such an insanely simple thing to understand that I don't know how anyone can debate it.

    That's a very basic way to look at it, but that still ignores the questions associated with the law, not the general take on unions.

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