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obama trying to sneak in illegal aliens

  • bhiley77 said...

    SIx of one, half dozen of the other. End results identical: true believers donate their time and money to the cause.

    It's really not the same though - it's not like pro-choice supporters demand that all anti-abortion people get abortions. If one side in particular wasn't trying to do away with a woman's right to choose, abortion would be a non-issue. Only one side is constantly dragging it into the national spotlight. The anti-abortion lobby whips its base into a frenzy to take away people's rights, while pro-choice supporters are only trying to keep the rights the Supreme Court has granted them.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Most people are idiots,so...

    this is truth. see: every political thread on tbb.

    roger huerta

  • CMXI said...

    See, that's the problem though - I understand where you're coming from, but if we start going by "when you believe someone is alive" then abortions will be illegal in a heartbeat. If we go by scientific evidence, for which the standard of "alive" is viability outside the womb, then a woman is still permitted early term abortions, and by the time a fetus is viable outside the womb, most doctors won't perform an abortion anyways due to health concerns for the mother (unless the birth itself would cause even more complications).

    I'm not contesting the availability of late-term abortions, I'm arguing against the ridiculous notion that a woman shouldn't ever be able to get an abortion.

    As Obama so famously said, it is above my pay grade. What I can control is myself, and the people around me. Is abortion murder? I honestly have no idea. But I respect the idea that if you do believe it is murder, you'd want abortion to be illegal.

    i personally believe that should be a decision left to the familiy, and the gov't should get out of the business of saying if it's illegal or not. But I refuse to sit here and criticize people who do believe it should be illegal, for moral reasons.

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    appoo

  • appoo said...

    Long term, that's not true. Short term, he would have been much better off not doing health care reform.

    I guess waste wasn't the proper diction I was looking for. I didn't mean waste negatively.

    Meant more exhausted.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Well the women who need it are going to do two things:

    1) go to a backdoor clinic that is unsafe,unregulated and black market.

    2) Keep the kid and will statistically be more likely to cause all sorts of socio-economic problems

    "But it goes against my religion..."

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  • We should hang every illegal caught

    LScootU

  • USMCAG said...

    F'ing pathetic. This idiot makes me sick

    He is a goddamned traitor and should be treated just like Benedict Arnold. This, selling out the SeALs, the leaks to try and make him look like he is worth a shit.

    He is trash.

    Nicolae

  • You know, it's not just gay voters that support gay marriage. Besides, ever heard of the Log-Cabin Republicans? There are absolutely people to win over.

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  • CMXI said...

    Ladies must love you. Seriously, can you give me one good scientific reason for why abortions should be made illegal in a given state?

    All these abortion laws are doing are punishing women for being women. There's absolutely no good reason why abortions shouldn't be available as an option - a woman is free to make choices regarding her own body. Regulation of those choices by anyone else is the same as legislators passing a law declaring that men can no longer get vasectomies.

    I find it funny when I try to argue with someone whos says abortions should be made illegal and also at the same time want to say we should cut welfare and funding to the kids.

    Adoption / Foster care facilities can't even place all the kids they have now, just image the government support that will be needed if abortion is made illegal since there is already a suplus of kids that are not adopted as it is .....

    Edit: I already see complaints as it as is about women who have too many kids who can't support them and need welfare ... obviously, they want 100x as much without having to pay for them. Good luck with that.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MichRedWingFan7 on 6/15/2012 at 10:23 PM

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  • I support the policy but this isn’t going to help in a state like FL. The majority of Rican’s, Cuban’s, and Dominican’s don’t care about immigration.

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    CWEBB

  • What part of illegal does this moron not understand? Worst president of all time.

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  • CMXI said...

    Good god, it's like you see the name "Obama" and immediately start seeing red and frothing at the mouth.

    1. This isn't an "illegal" immigration policy. This would be a change in policy to existing Customs & Border Patrol (CBP) regulations. There's nothing illegal about such a change.

    2. All this does is give CBP prosecutorial discretion. This doesn't force CBP to let a single illegal immigrant walk free with amnesty - it simply gives the agency the option to decline to prosecute illegals.

    3. The Department of Homeland Security already has this policy in place for Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE), so this is nothing new, it just brings CBP's policies in line with the already existing ICE policy.

    Read the damn article and do some research before spouting off like an idiot.

    Bingo

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  • He did this without going through congress. This pos has no boundaries. Nice that he has spent more money than any other president in history.

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  • USMCAG said...

    He did this without going through congress. This pos has no boundaries. Nice that he has spent more money than any other president in history.

    Are you saying he's the only POTUS to ever do something to avoid Congress? I just want to get you to clarify your opinion here.

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  • USMCAG said...

    He did this without going through congress. This pos has no boundaries. Nice that he has spent more money than any other president in history.

    He tried to go through Congress, but every Republican in Congress is intent on stonewalling any progress that could possibly be made. Mitch McConnell even said that the number 1 goal is to make sure Obama is a one-term president. When Congress blocks literally any proposal the president makes regardless of its effect on the country, I think that's a perfectly valid time to go outside Congress.

    Besides, as I point out earlier, this is all executive branch governance anyways. The POTUS doesn't have to go through Congress to make this change, but he elected to try - I think that shows a hell of a lot. It wasn't until Congress did its usual stonewalling that the POTUS did what was well within his rights and made changes strictly through the executive branch.

    I know that rational discussion and logic have absolutely no effect on you so I'm going to stop here, but I'm truly amazed by your ability to simply tune out anything and everything that could possibly conflict with your bitter, twisted, hateful worldview.

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  • Snake Plissken said...

    Are you saying he's the only POTUS to ever do something to avoid Congress? I just want to get you to clarify your opinion here.

    Ne, I don't like when any of these morons do it. Explain how this pos has spent more money In Four years than Bush did in 8?

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  • USMCAG said...

    Ne, I don't like when any of these morons do it. Explain how this pos has spent more money In Four years than Bush did in 8?

    Simple. Bush was terrible at fiscal responsibility. Obama's worse. They're both god-awful, because neither one gives or gave two shits about the American working class. That's not relevant to what we're discussing here. You're just going off on a tangent to try to deflect from the fact that your original title was a ridiculous bit of sensationalism that you can't defend with a shred of actual fact.

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  • USMCAG said...

    Ne, I don't like when any of these morons do it. Explain how this pos has spent more money In Four years than Bush did in 8?

    The 2009 budget Obama inherited from Bush was the highest and has steadily been coming down since---only 11% of this spending has been non-Defense discretionary spending. The rest of all this spending since 2009 has either been inherited,automatic increases via statutes,or increases in spending on defense and veterans. Not sure what he can do anyway besides sign or veto the budget that Congress sends him.

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  • CMXI said...

    Simple. Bush was terrible at fiscal responsibility. Obama's worse. They're both god-awful, because neither one gives or gave two shits about the American working class. That's not relevant to what we're discussing here. You're just going off on a tangent to try to deflect from the fact that your original title was a ridiculous bit of sensationalism that you can't defend with a shred of actual fact.

    Not deflecting. This immigration thing is a bs policy that he made to get re elected. Illegal is illegal.

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  • Worst president ever would have to be either Nixon or Bush.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Worst president ever would have to be either Nixon or Bush.

    No way obama is better than either Bush. LBJ and obama are by far the worst.

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  • msucan'tmakebcs said...

    Worst president ever would have to be either Nixon or Bush.

    Engaging in unnecessary wars? Check. Massively overspending? Check. Abuse of authority? Check.

    Yeah, I'd have to agree with you here.

    This post was edited by CMXI on 6/18/2012 at 8:25 AM

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  • USMCAG said...

    No way obama is better than either Bush. LBJ and obama are by far the worst.

    Bush caused the death of a whole lot more U.S. soldiers than Obama ever did, just saying.

    This post was edited by CMXI on 6/18/2012 at 8:26 AM

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  • CMXI said...

    Simple. Bush was terrible at fiscal responsibility. Obama's worse. They're both god-awful, because neither one gives or gave two shits about the American working class. That's not relevant to what we're discussing here. You're just going off on a tangent to try to deflect from the fact that your original title was a ridiculous bit of sensationalism that you can't defend with a shred of actual fact.

    Obama doesn't have a card to play when it comes to deficits/debt. 85% of the spending, is mandated by law in the form of Medicare, Medicade, and Interest on debt, another large chunk went to the defense, for paying for a couple of wars.

    His spending on the stimulus was about the only thing you can really attach to him. The spending levels on non-discretionary spending has been pretty steady with past administrations.

    Cutting Spending and Economic Recovery are mutually exclusive. You can blame for not cutting spending, or you can blame for not aiding the recovery. You can not do both.

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    appoo

  • CMXI said...

    Bush caused the death of a whole lot more U.S. soldiers than Obama ever did, just saying.

    You have no clue what you're talking about. Obama has spent more money than Bush did in 8 years, so fail again. Keep it up.

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