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rocket from Egypt hits Israel

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    There's that undue force line. If Egypt used some "undue force" on those firing the rockets, Israel wouldn't have to. lol

    Did you read my post?

    First, Egypt doesn't have a strong central government at the moment.

    Second, these were Palestinians and not Egyptians.

    Third, Egypt isn't allowed to station enough troops to control the Sinai Peninsula. It's hard for them to respond because they follow the peace treaty that they signed with Israel.

    Fourth, Israel's raids into Egyptian territory have killed Egyptian citizens. Israel has neither acknowledged, nor apologized for this.

    Fifth, the fundamentalist "Muslim Brotherhood" political party is already exploiting Israel's aggression today. If they gain control of Egypt's democracy (an increasing likelihood), they will write the constitution, and potentially lay the foundation for a conservative state based on Islamic law.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I didn't know we were spending 5.98T dollars on non-defense daicretionary spending.

    We defend them because they are our loudest ear to the middle east. We get more intelligence from them in that region than anyone else. We pay dip shvt worthless countries like egypt 3 billion a year... israel is worth 10x that.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    That figure was since the creation of Israel, not per year.

    My bad, we're giving them a little over $3.1 billion/yr. Still, that's still a lot of coin that we could be spending on our country's problems.

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  • ScoutExile said...

    Did you read my post?

    First, Egypt doesn't have a strong central government at the moment.

    Second, these were Palestinians and not Egyptians.

    Third, Egypt isn't allowed to station enough troops to control the Sinai Peninsula. It's hard for them to respond because they follow the peace treaty that they signed with Israel.

    Fourth, Israel's raids into Egyptian territory have killed Egyptian citizens. Israel has neither acknowledged, nor apologized for this.

    Fifth, the fundamentalist "Muslim Brotherhood" political party is already exploiting Israel's aggression today. If they gain control of Egypt's democracy (an increasing likelihood), they will write the constitution, and potentially lay the foundation for a conservative state based on Islamic law.

    Pshhhh islamic law.

    Have you ever talked to anyone who deals with those people? Obviously not. Egypt will fall to Sharia law faster than you can turn around twice. I doubt you realize what that means for women, gays, artist, musicians, and people who actually want to be free.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    We piss away much more money on that on things far less worthwhile then material support for an ally every day.

    +1

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  • bhiley77 said...

    I suppose his point is that I can't think of any concrete policy change. The rhetoric has changed quite a bit, from the white house and state department both. But I guess you could argue that's lip service to the American left who hates Israel solely because it lets them take a postmodern look at the Palestinians as being an oppressed people they need to save, and that until we stop shipping them tanks ans guns nothing has actually changed.

    That's a pretty irrational definition of "policy change" then. I don't see how any sane person can say that our relations with Israel are the same under Obama as they've always been. He has been openly hostile to them since the moment he took office, and maybe I'm crazy, but that counts as policy change, in my book. Making idiotic statements about Israel needing to return to 1967 borders has more impact than many people acknowledge, apparently. Selling them out by leaking their plans in Azerbaijan matters. It's not just lip service to some group.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    We piss away much more money on that on things far less worthwhile then material support for an ally every day.

    This

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  • aumajorpain said...

    We defend them because they are our loudest ear to the middle east. We get more intelligence from them in that region than anyone else. We pay dip shvt worthless countries like egypt 3 billion a year... israel is worth 10x that.

    Ok?

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  • ScoutExile said...

    Did you read my post?

    First, Egypt doesn't have a strong central government at the moment.

    Second, these were Palestinians and not Egyptians.

    Third, Egypt isn't allowed to station enough troops to control the Sinai Peninsula. It's hard for them to respond because they follow the peace treaty that they signed with Israel.

    Fourth, Israel's raids into Egyptian territory have killed Egyptian citizens. Israel has neither acknowledged, nor apologized for this.

    Fifth, the fundamentalist "Muslim Brotherhood" political party is already exploiting Israel's aggression today. If they gain control of Egypt's democracy (an increasing likelihood), they will write the constitution, and potentially lay the foundation for a conservative state based on Islamic law.

    1. Sounds like Israel needs to take care of it since Egypt can't.

    2. Who they are doesn't matter, it is the action of attacking Israel does.

    3. Again, Egypt won't handle it, Israel will.

    4. First I have heard of this, I am sure it is true though.

    5. The muslimbrotherhood is exploiting the fact rockets were fired into Israel. Israel defending itself (not aggression as you claim) matters not.

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  • bhiley77 said...

    I suppose his point is that I can't think of any concrete policy change. The rhetoric has changed quite a bit, from the white house and state department both. But I guess you could argue that's lip service to the American left who hates Israel solely because it lets them take a postmodern look at the Palestinians as being an oppressed people they need to save, and that until we stop shipping them tanks ans guns nothing has actually changed.

    As a liberal I gotta say that's an important observation.

    +1

    This post was edited by OCanada on 4/5/2012 at 1:54 PM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    1. Sounds like Israel needs to take care of it since Egypt can't.

    2. Who they are doesn't matter, it is the action of attacking Israel does.

    3. Again, Egypt won't handle it, Israel will.

    4. First I have heard of this, I am sure it is true though.

    5. The muslimbrotherhood is exploiting the fact rockets were fired into Israel. Israel defending itself (not aggression as you claim) matters not.

    1) Except Egypt's inability to crackdown is directly related to the current peace treaty (which was Israel's doing). If they truly wanted Egypt to be able to crack down on groups like Al Qaeda in Sinai, then they should update the treaty. Otherwise, Sinai will remain a safe haven for terrorists and militants.

    2-3) Right, but it's still not their country. The men who launched the rockets are criminals, their crime was committed in Egypt, and they should be locked in a cell in Egypt. If Israel wanted to reach out and aid Egypt in arresting these criminals, they probably could have. Instead, they opted to flex their muscle...

    4) There's been a couple incidents. See link for example.

    5) MB's exploiting the fact that Egyptian borders were violated, not the rocket attacks. They're a religiously-based, far-right political party, and not a terrorist group.

    Egypt's a very, very fragile situation. I really wish this hadn't happened. Geo-politically, this is destabilizing for the entire Mid-East.

    This post was edited by ScoutExile on 4/5/2012 at 2:15 PM

    Egyptian border guards killed during Israeli raid on militants

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8710372/Egyptian-border-guards-killed-during-Israeli-raid-on-militants.html

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  • rms02d said...

    Figures because you can't link anything that proves your ignorant beliefs, unless you find a link from a "tin-foil hat" website.

    Hamas is still a terrorist org according to the US.

    The US continues to ignore the building and construction of Jewish settlements. This is a violation of international law, and something Europeans hate.

    Obama did make a statement last year regarding the 1967 borders, but that isn't necessarily a radical change in US policy towards Israel. Because anyone that has studied the issue, would tell you that something close to the 1967 borders is inevitable for peace.

    US policy under Obama is no different than it was under Clinton or Bush.

    I'm sorry that you mistake me for someone who wants to debate you or change your ignorant opinions.

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  • ScoutExile said...

    1) Except Egypt's inability to crackdown is directly related to the current peace treaty (which was Israel's doing). If they truly wanted Egypt to be able to crack down on groups like Al Qaeda in Sinai, then they should update the treaty. Otherwise, Sinai will remain a safe haven for terrorists and militants.

    2-3) Right, but it's still not their country. The men who launched the rockets are criminals, their crime was committed in Egypt, and they should be locked in a cell in Egypt. If Israel wanted to reach out and aid Egypt in arresting these criminals, they probably could have. Instead, they opted to flex their muscle...

    4) There's been a couple incidents. See link for example.

    5) MB's exploiting the fact that Egyptian borders were violated, not the rocket attacks. They're a religiously-based, far-right political party, and not a terrorist group.

    Egypt's a very, very fragile situation. I really wish this hadn't happened. Geo-politically, this is destabilizing for the entire Mid-East.

    1. Egypt is unwilling to do anything, as you have stated, a lack of a strong central government is the fault. Egypt won't react, Israel will to protect itself.

    2-3. Sorry, these aren't criminals committing crimes in Egypt, they attacked a sovereign nation, and that nation acted to protect it's citizens.

    4. Well holy hell, how about that. Your link was a response to an attack on Israel. I linked it for you, it is from the article you linked. lol http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8709870/Israel-suffers-one-of-worst-attacks-in-years-as-militants-exploit-lightly-guarded-Egyptian-border.html

    5. Root cause analysis here SE. Israel is responding to attacks on their soil, not violating borders.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 4/5/2012 at 3:47 PM

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