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Presidents Get Playoff Call Right

  • Pula_86 said...

    I'm glad the stupid idea of requiring playoff teams to be conference champs did not win out. The only reason you move to a playoff is to get the best teams playing each other. It's conceivable that one conference could have two or three of the best teams in the nation. Why should the other team be shut out because they play in the same conference when if they played in another, the team would steamroll the inferior conference? It appears they came to their senses.

    eSECpn says thanks & the check is in the mail.

    3444A

  • shaunsimpson said...

    A big part of this is Will they use the guidelines that are suggested. Even though the committee is supposed to take a conference championship into consideration, will that. For example, does Stanford jump Alabama last year because of a conference championship. Does Oklahoma State jump Alabama last year because of a conference championship.

    They absolutely should. However, I doubt that they will. The selection commitee will likely be as corrupt as the BCS pollsters were. You're going to continue to see people voting for their favorites (or in the south, whoever is within close geographic proximity). Not to mention, ESPN is throwing its weight around and will continue to do so. It's like how Georgia has always been ranked in the polls during the preseason the last several years and then goes on to lose 5 or 6 games (I know last year was the exception). These voters vote for teams from their own conference or their own team, deserving or not. Take American Idol for example. Every year, the winner of it is from the south. That doesn't mean that the amount vocal talent is superior in the south (as a matter of fact, if you think Phil Phillips is more talented than Jessica Sanchez, or Lauren Alaina is more talented than Haley Reinhart, you're brain dead).The people of the south will not vote for people outside of the south. They are stuck on their identity of "Southern Pride". The problem is that the south is eccentic about the south and blind toward everything else. Voting is biased. It's like Nick Saban getting to cast a vote. I guarantee his ballot had Alabama as number one and Oklahoma State teetering on being outside the top ten. As long as there is a human element, the system is flawed. And at the end of the day, there is no arguing that a team that isn't the best in its conference or even its division for that matter is the best in the nation. Bad voting led to that disaster and that's why it had the lowest television ratings of all national championship games of the BCS era. I wish that there could be a completely impartial panel to vote. It would be better yet if the human element could be taken out entirely (including coaches voting for their own benefit and networks pushing their product).

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  • "Let’s say LSU is No. 1 and Ohio State is No. 2. If the designated semis are the Sugar and Rose bowls, I would hope they would send LSU to the Sugar and OSU to the Rose. That only makes sense, right?"

    Steve - you know full well that "sense" doesn't come into play when it involves collegiate football. I like the wishful thinking though

    mjoeb

  • Worst games what about Ohio State getting thumped by Florida? Idiot!!

    luvmybearcats

  • Worst games what about Ohio State getting thumped by Florida? Idiot!!

    luvmybearcats

  • Can't wait until we have 3 undefeated teams one from a smaller conference and 3 1 lose teams. Let the fighting begin. They have solved nothing. The only reason they made this a 12 year deal is to keep it from growing to 8 teams which is where it need to be.

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  • Pula_86 said...

    I'm glad the stupid idea of requiring playoff teams to be conference champs did not win out. The only reason you move to a playoff is to get the best teams playing each other. It's conceivable that one conference could have two or three of the best teams in the nation. Why should the other team be shut out because they play in the same conference when if they played in another, the team would steamroll the inferior conference? It appears they came to their senses.

    The problem comes in when a conference champion gets passed over for the team they just beat in the conference championship game.

    The conference championship games become less meaningful if you can't look at them as preliminary rounds in the playoff. If there is a tie in for champions, then you're looking at potentially 10-12 teams that have a legitimate chance to kick ass in their championship game and get elevated to the playoff field.

    If you have a 2 loss conference champion get passed over for a 1 loss team they just beat, in a championship game, what the heck was the point of that game?

    jenglish

  • It's not exactly what I wanted but it's better than nothing.

    davebucknut

  • explodeHey Steve,May God strike you down and put you six feet under for your comments about my Cincinnati Bearcats. Go to Hell!

    This post was edited by jdcowett on 6/27/2012 at 5:23 PM

    jdcowett

  • I would say the worst game is when Ohio State used a group of ineligible cheaters to not win vs Arkansas and keep their SEC record perfect. That and the Florida game where they got beat down.

    the_nuts

  • Tim Tackett said...

    I would like to see teams given credit for a tough out of conference schedule (whether they win or lose-let me explain). I don't blame the big boys for scheduling a couple of "cupcakes" to warm up...but I get so sick of teams that schedule all of their early games as cupcakes. I was at the OSU vs USC game and that atmosphere was unbelievable...I'm sure the OSU vs Texas game was the same...those are the greatest of times...I say penalize the teams that don't schedule them by giving extra consideration to the teams that do whether they win or lose (assuming it is a good game and not a vicious beat down or something). I think if they don't include this provision, you'll see a lot of teams play it very conservative in scheduling. That is one reason I hoped they would choose at least 3 conference champions ( so teams wouldnt have to worry about losses in those ooc games and they could schedule bigger games - that are way more fun to watch.

    Exactly. If you have to win your conference to get in to the playoffs the early ooc games would be important in preparing for the conference games. This would cause schools to schedule fewer cupcakes, giving the fans better games to watch.
    i did not watch this years all SEC championship game. Apparently many others did not watch either as the ratings were low. I would have watched LSU and Okla. State. I don't think 2 teams from the same conference should be it the championship game.

    chunk

  • jdcowett said...

    explodeHey Steve,May God strike you down and put you six feet under for your comments about my Cincinnati Bearcats. Go to Hell!

    Ha ha, you have to admit that VT game was about as low grade as it gets. The other UC fan did put me in my place, though. The OSU-Florida NC game was the worst NC game in the history of the sport. That guy gets 2 thumbs up for calling me out on that.

    SteveHelwagen

  • Gobucks187TTUN said...Thank God we are using a committee.

    At least now people are free from influence peddlers like ESPN.

    Maybe.

    But don't underestimate the power of professional cry babies and skilled 'B.S. masters' like Mack Brown, who, (because he really is a nice guy), has a lot of friends and at times can wield a lot of influence on other coaches.

    But let's not single out Brown alone here. The college football coaching fraternity is, and always has been, a very tight group. Coaches naturally have biases, for and against, other teams, (i.e rivals), and individual coaches in the profession. (Bear Bryant, Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden all had groupies that admired them and would naturally 'vote' for their team in a close call).

    The committee will have to make sure that no one lobbies to get in, or bars a deserving team from the party.

    That's easier said than done.

    As GoBucks pointed out, the 'polls' & computers certainly have their flaws as well, and some do carry similar biases, but there is some value in a computer component -- IF the selection methodology is sound, intact, and adhered to.

    Alan Hitchcock,
    Reporter, OUInsider.com

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  • deerhurst said...

    There will be many problems with this system, just as there has been with the previous systems. It will all start with the committee who picks the final 4 and the order of the final 4. To think politics will not be involved in this is to deny reality. I don't see much improvement in the system, just bigger payouts.

    Exactly.

    Article after article talking about this being a great day for college football - but the same writers will be questioning the Selection Committee within the next 2 years.

    Other than Auburn 2004, the list of teams that were somehow wronged by the BCS makes me laugh - Hawaii in 2007; Utah in 2008; Cincinnati, TCU and Boise State in 2009; and TCU in 2010?

    College football is at an all-time high in popularity and revenue. Yet, everyone keeps talking about how "broken" it is and how playoffs will fix it. Makes no sense.

    PhilaBuck

  • luvmybearcats said...

    Worst games what about Ohio State getting thumped by Florida? Idiot!!

    Speaking of idiots, in 2006 OSU was undefeated and had won two #1-vs-#2 showdowns before choking against Florida.

    What system, BCS or otherwise, would have left them out? What would the playoffs have done.

    I know you are a UC fan, and therefore know nothing about college football, but get a clue....

    BTW - How much did Florida beat UC by?

    PhilaBuck

  • the_nuts said...

    I would say the worst game is when Ohio State used a group of ineligible cheaters to not win vs Arkansas and keep their SEC record perfect. That and the Florida game where they got beat down.

    It's weird because you say the were ineligible but the NCAA says they were eligible? Gosh, who should we believe?

    After all, SEC fans think it is a valid defense to point out that the NCAA could only prove that Cam's daddy was shopping him for money.

    Southern inbred conference-bandwagoning hypocrite

    PhilaBuck

  • SteveHelwagen said...

    Ha ha, you have to admit that VT game was about as low grade as it gets. The other UC fan did put me in my place, though. The OSU-Florida NC game was the worst NC game in the history of the sport. That guy gets 2 thumbs up for calling me out on that.

    Sorry while for Buckeye fans the Scottsdale Massacre was the worst, objectively USC's 55-19 demolishing of Oklahoma was the worst NC game.

    Both were putrid showings, but the Orange Bowl wins if only because Ashlee Simpson's halftime show meltdown.

    PhilaBuck

  • I think you can add OSU getting whipped by Florida to your list of worst games. In fact I believe they lost by more points to Florida than UC did. But who are we to think a writer for the Big 10 can be objective?

    XUGirlsAreUgly

  • XUGirlsAreUgly said...

    I think you can add OSU getting whipped by Florida to your list of worst games. In fact I believe they lost by more points to Florida than UC did. But who are we to think a writer for the Big 10 can be objective?

    As a UC fan, I completely understand you lack basic math skills and am willing to help:

    OSU lost to Florida 41-14 = 27 points
    UC lost to Florida 51-24 = 27 points

    So while you might believe that OSU lost by a larger margin, you would be wrong.

    But its OK - since 2009 was the only time UC has lost less than 3 games IN THE LAST 45 YEARS - we don't expect you all to know a damn thing aout football.

    PhilaBuck

  • So your superior athletes and educational offering caused you to lose to the same amount of points as your little brother here in Cincy. Well done. You must be proud. Can't wait to see how you do this postseason......oh darn, you won't be playing. That's right. Who am I going to root against now?

    XUGirlsAreUgly

  • XUGirlsAreUgly said...

    So your superior athletes and educational offering caused you to lose to the same amount of points as your little brother here in Cincy. Well done. You must be proud. Can't wait to see how you do this postseason......oh darn, you won't be playing. That's right. Who am I going to root against now?

    Our superior athletes allow us to own UC. Hell to even sound like a threat you have to talk about things that happened in basketball 50 years ago.

    Our superior educational offerings allow me to tell you "get me another Negra Modelo".

    But at least you recognize your status as little brother.

    But you can top OSU in one category - UC football has been on NCAA probation 4 times to OSU's 3 times. Again, given the state of UC football, who would notice, especially a fan base that is mostly focused on bitching about OSU?

    PhilaBuck

  • I am pretty sure 1) you have no education, but are rather a redneck hilljack from Youngstown. After all, most Buckeye fans never went to the school, or even know where Columbus is, but they do know one thing- how to cut grass. 2) You likely wear camo shorts with a Suckeye shirt with the sleeves ripped off. 3) You probably have a beard 4) you drink a lot, I mean a LOT, of Natty light.

    Now you would be well served to shut your pie hole and tell your wife/sister to go check your trailers front door to make sure its locked. After all, it would be awful if someone broke into your trailer and stole your Brutus Buckeye doll.

    XUGirlsAreUgly