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Nick Saban

  • Texas Flood said...

    In regards to the main topic, as Chuckie stated, it will be up to Saban. If he satisfied with his legacy, he will stay at Bama. If he is attracted to the idea of winning three championships at different programs, a feat never achieved in college football, then maybe he will listen to Texas' offer. Money will be secondary.

    UT has more money so not sure why anyone would argue. However, I do agree with the premise that UA would match pretty much anything UT offered though. I'm basing that on the belief UT wouldn't offer 10+ million a year.

    With his legacy, the big thing is him already being in his 60's IMO. I think the counter argument to the NCs at 3 schools is that how long would it take Saban to win one at Texas and how many overall vs how many could he win overall staying at Bama. That would be an interesting debate. Both in total number and affect on legacy.

    Also, Saban would demand total control like he has now. Maybe the UT guys could chime in because I have no clue whether or not he would get that with UT.

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  • BayTider said...

    UT has more money so not sure why anyone would argue. However, I do agree with the premise that UA would match pretty much anything UT offered though. I'm basing that on the belief UT wouldn't offer 10+ million a year.

    With his legacy, the big thing is him already being in his 60's IMO. I think the counter argument to the NCs at 3 schools is that how long would it take Saban to win one at Texas and how many overall vs how many could he win overall staying at Bama. That would be an interesting debate. Both in total number and affect on legacy.

    Also, Saban would demand total control like he has now. Maybe the UT guys could chime in because I have no clue whether or not he would get that with UT.

    Do you know what's the sad thing? Mack and Saban are the same age, one looks pretty good for his age and the other appears completely worn out.

    So how long could it take him to get Texas go to a MNC game? I don't know, maybe three years. Probably really depends how quickly he can implement his defensive scheme and have the players adopt a more aggressive swagger imo (that sounds ridiculous but this team hasn't been prepared for tough games since Muschamp). I think there's some promise with the personnel of our team. Offense is young, but could get there when the line matures. Defense is above average, despite the stats saying otherwise (schematically it's a mess).
    But I think he can get a conference championship immediately. As for total control, I'll be willing to bet he won't get it at UT, unfortunately. Politicking will be part of the position.

    Maybe a better question in resolving this debate is, how much longer will he coach at Bama? If the NFL and Texas aren't serious options, then surely his rumored timeline at Bama will be the best indicator.

    Texas Flood

  • Ok Bama folks. Bottom line. We want what you have and we want the success of your program. We're not trying be jerks. We're just jealous, dammit.

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    Bandit18

  • Texas Flood said...

    I didn't realize CMB and CNS were that close in age.

    As far as how long it would take, I agree with 3 years. Season 1 is a transition, 2 is full implementation and continuing recruiting efforts, and 3 or 4 is an NC. You guys have more talent now than when CNS came to UA in 2007. Way more. The whole key is guys buying in and doing the little things like UA is doing now. CNS is upfront with recruitis and tells them that his program isn't for everyone. In 2008 he told Julio Jones that if he wanted to come, fine, but we would win with or without him. JJ was the cornerstone of that class and he took that approach. It worked then and continues to. It would be a matter of does that style of coaching carry over.

    As far as total control, HUGE issue. Saban is a control freak and not sure if he would want to have anything dictated to him.

    CNS plans to coach another 5 or so years. The article I posted a few pages ago, Saban interview, really discusses all of that and how he sees himself finishing his career. I could see him doing huge things with Texas, but the problem is that you can't really do it any bigger than what he is doing now. From a fans perspective, we are blessed to have the guy.

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  • Texas Flood said...

    Do you know what's the sad thing? Mack and Saban are the same age, one looks pretty good for his age and the other appears completely worn out.

    So how long could it take him to get Texas go to a MNC game? I don't know, maybe three years. Probably really depends how quickly he can implement his defensive scheme and have the players adopt a more aggressive swagger imo (that sounds ridiculous but this team hasn't been prepared for tough games since Muschamp). I think there's some promise with the personnel of our team. Offense is young, but could get there when the line matures. Defense is above average, despite the stats saying otherwise (schematically it's a mess). But I think he can get a conference championship immediately. As for total control, I'll be willing to bet he won't get it at UT, unfortunately. Politicking will be part of the position.

    Maybe a better question in resolving this debate is, how much longer will he coach at Bama? If the NFL and Texas aren't serious options, then surely his rumored timeline at Bama will be the best indicator.

    Saban would win huge at Texas, just like he does here. The first season there would be better than his first season here, IMO, because we were a wreck when he got here. However, I think he'd have some late season struggles in year 1 because the players who don't truly buy in hit the wall somewhere around October. Those get weeded out, they run the B12 the next year and get to the title game. The depth of talent needed to just plug and play takes a little longer than that, but the guy is a machine when he gets everyone on the same page.

    On the money issue, it's never going to go high enough that either team can't afford it. But even if Bama said they'd stop at 7m and Texas went to 10m, or vice-versa, it's going to be about what he wants to do and not the extra cash. IMO, if he wanted a true rebuilding job for his lasting legacy, he'd probably be more likely to take over the home town West Virginia than another national power. I think he's going to coach a few more years, but I wouldn't be surprised if he started eyeballing the lake in 3-5 years.

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  • La Hoo said...

    Never discount the ego. Winning a national title at three different schools hasn't been done yet. If Bama wins this year, making it 3 of 4, seems like either Saban stays and turns them into a true dynasty or he leaves to do it all over again somewhere else.

    This. If he wins this year I think winning one somewhere else would be huge appeal to him.

    merrijm

  • I wonder how Bama fans are gonna feel when Nick leaves them.

    Bevo15

  • BayTider said...

    UT has more money so not sure why anyone would argue. However, I do agree with the premise that UA would match pretty much anything UT offered though. I'm basing that on the belief UT wouldn't offer 10+ million a year.

    With his legacy, the big thing is him already being in his 60's IMO. I think the counter argument to the NCs at 3 schools is that how long would it take Saban to win one at Texas and how many overall vs how many could he win overall staying at Bama. That would be an interesting debate. Both in total number and affect on legacy.

    Also, Saban would demand total control like he has now. Maybe the UT guys could chime in because I have no clue whether or not he would get that with UT.

    In my opinion, winning at three schools is more impressive than winning more at Al. Would be more impressive if he could do it at a more challenging school than TX. But if you're Saban, at some point maybe enough is enough. If he can win ncs at 3 schools (even if the 3rd is TX) that would be hard for someone else to match or exceed.

    merrijm

  • merrijm said...

    In my opinion, winning at three schools is more impressive than winning more at Al. Would be more impressive if he could do it at a more challenging school than TX. But if you're Saban, at some point maybe enough is enough. If he can win ncs at 3 schools (even if the 3rd is TX) that would be hard for someone else to match or exceed.

    Solidify him as the greatest CFC in the history of the world. Like how there's Jordan then a slew of other guys who might be in the discussion for second best. But ultimately there's only one "best ever". Jack and Tiger are currently the exception

    RoyalwithCheese

  • I don't see saban leaving Bama for another college program no matter the money. the guy eats little debbie snacks for breakfast... he could already afford a personal chef... but winning in college is not the same as winning in the NFL. In college you can have way better players than the other team. in the NFL minus the QB position it pretty much evens out and comes down to true strategy... LSU gave Saban his first chance to compete with quality players...

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by LSU_bud on 11/1/2012 at 7:57 PM

    no means no

    LSU_bud

  • Bevo15 said...

    I wonder how Bama fans are gonna feel when Nick leaves them.

    We'll be really, really, really grateful for what he did for our program. Took it away from the good 'ol boys and showed everyone how to do it the right way. He could leave tomorrow in the limelight of tonight's win, and we'd be much better for having him - and in much better shape than your program is in.

    Sorry about Colt's shoulder.

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  • merrijm said...

    In my opinion, winning at three schools is more impressive than winning more at Al. Would be more impressive if he could do it at a more challenging school than TX. But if you're Saban, at some point maybe enough is enough. If he can win ncs at 3 schools (even if the 3rd is TX) that would be hard for someone else to match or exceed.

    It would be hard to match or exceed. Of course there's the getting there he has to do.

    By contrast, at Alabama, for the first time in his entire coaching career, he's been in a place long enough to have a roster 100% recruited by his standards and developed by his folks.

    Seems to be a little silly at this point to walk away from that to start over somewhere else.

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  • The only real reason I could see Saban leaving is for the challenge, and because Austin > Tuscaloosa.

    Might as well retire in Austin rather than Tuscaloosa. Other than that, why would you leave the program you have completely rebuilt?

    JOJP

  • The only way Saban stays is if he can keep winning national titles consecutively. If Saban loses before he can make it to the title game or in the title game, he is gone to the Browns. He left LSU after 5 years for NAR.

    This post was edited by Ego Trip on 11/5/2012 at 10:17 PM

    Ego Trip

  • Saban is interesting to me. His path up to this point indicates restlessness and ambition. But at the same time, it might be that he wanted a shot at the NFL, got it and found that he loved college much more and now his ambition has cooled to where he's content.

    I wouldn't really be surprised either way, whether he stays and retires at Alabama (which I'm leaning towards for now), or he goes to the NFL, etc.

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  • WE SABAN NOW

    TXA2009

  • BayTider said...

    I hope it would be more profitable than the LHN...

    More profitable for who? Texas gets $300 mil so it's working quite profitably for them.

    JOJP

  • ANSWER ME THIS . WHY WAS SABAN SO MAD THAT OHIO STATE DIDN'T OFFER HIM COACHING JOB AT OHIO STATE LAST YEAR ... SEVERAL OF SOURCES FROM ALA. STATED HE WAS PISSED!!!!!!!!

    screwtheblue

  • screwtheblue said...

    ANSWER ME THIS . WHY WAS SABAN SO MAD THAT OHIO STATE DIDN'T OFFER HIM COACHING JOB AT OHIO STATE LAST YEAR ... SEVERAL OF SOURCES FROM ALA. STATED HE WAS PISSED!!!!!!!!

    LOL. Let's assume this was true. Who should feel worse, Alabama fans who still have Saban despite this, or OSU fans, whose school didn't so much as make an offer to Saban, and instead hired a coach that Saban "processed" into the hospital and out of the SEC? loco

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  • why would we want saban , we had him if we wanted him in 1999, he wasn't even in the race and he's still a nut.... and when the sec start teaching how to coach get back to me ... u may have more horses but, til u get some trainer for those pony that all u have ,
    enjoy what u have ,now cause it not going to last ..... need mooooo money.......

    screwtheblue

  • If the SEC has poor coaching, where does that leave the rest of the nation.

    This post was edited by Ego Trip on 11/6/2012 at 9:27 PM

    Ego Trip

  • learn what u read.. rant

    screwtheblue

  • joetheogre said...

    Should come to South Carolina if Spurrier leaves in the next few years.

    We are decent and doing what Spurrier and Lou Holtz couldn't and winning a title would be a huge ego booster

    Now that is hilarious! No one wins @ South Carolina!

    RTR!

    petlover

  • screwtheblue said...

    ANSWER ME THIS . WHY WAS SABAN SO MAD THAT OHIO STATE DIDN'T OFFER HIM COACHING JOB AT OHIO STATE LAST YEAR ... SEVERAL OF SOURCES FROM ALA. STATED HE WAS PISSED!!!!!!!!

    fail

    rtr

    chefrossi

  • It is funny to see how all the bama fans are so aggressive to say that saban is not leaving. They will feel helpless once he does leave. Nick Saban does not love Alabama, let's just get that out of the way. With that said, it should not surprise anyone if he bolts to the NFL or to another program to do it again. Winning another NC at another school and in another conference should be very tempting for him. If Saban was a different person, he would honor Alabama. Unfortunately for bama fans, he only thinks of himself. Also, it will not take him 6 years to win a NC at Texas. Three at the most because Texas is full of young talent. Mack Brown brings in talented classes, he just struggles to coach them. Saban would dominate more at Texas than he does at bama and believe me, that he knows that very very well. All I am saying is stop being homers and realize that saban has nothing to do with bama. He will bolt if he wanted to to.

    LonghornMando25