This man’s opinion:  Mullen and staff are 5-for-5

This man’s opinion:  Mullen and staff are 5-for-5

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  • The only thing I would ask from him is a little more discretion in his hiring and recruiting.

  • Yeah, I don't have a problem with how he has handled these issues but hopefully he gets to a place where he doesn't have to dismiss so many players in the future.

  • Correct me if I’m wrong but in his intro press conference didn’t he say he had a zero tolerance violence against women policy?

    He shouldn’t have set the expectation of he wasn’t going to enforce it. Maybe our definition of zero tolerance differs.

    If he didn’t say that then it’s a moot point I guess.

  • Nurglings said... Correct me if I’m wrong but in his intro press conference didn’t he say he had a zero tolerance violence against women policy?He shouldn’t have set the expectatio...

    First team meeting that was one of his four key rules.

  • Another small detail to add is that I think it's been reported the staff knew about Jalon's legal matters prior to the Spring Game. So it's not like they immediately kept him out of playing like another staff might if two separate accusers came forward accusing him.

    Obviously, there's a process for these matters, but I don't think it's completely unjustifiable for him and the staff to take heat for these matters. Going 5-5 in less than 2 years on this stuff is pretty bad.

    This post was edited by PragmaticGator 11 months ago

  • PragmaticGator said... Another small detail to add is that I think it's been reported the staff knew about Jalon's legal matters prior to the Spring Game. So it's no...

    They did.

  • Thomas Goldkamp said... (original post)

    PragmaticGator said... Another small detail to add is that I think it's be...

    So to me that doesn't necessarily scream 'This is one of our top rules that will not be broken. Anyone found with the possibility of having broken this rule will immediately be pulled from activities until after the investigation has concluded'. But I obviously might be overthinking matters here. Probably am.

  • PragmaticGator said... So to me that doesn't necessarily scream 'This is one of our top rules that will not be broken. Anyone found with the possibility of having broken ...

    No, that was suspect at the time. Most media anticipated them sitting Jones. The rumblings were well enough out there in the public by the time the spring game rolled around.

    This post was edited by Thomas Goldkamp 11 months ago

  • The fact is that we’re not asking our players to be a bunch of choir boys. Smoke weed, get in fights, maybe even steal a taco. These are all typical college student behavior and especially for alpha male types that are more prone to violence. But the line is clearly drawn when it becomes violence against women. Dan is free to “gather information” as he likes to say, but if that information tells you a player choked out or struck a woman, he’s done.

    This post was edited by UpstateGator 11 months ago

  • UpstateGator said... (original post)

    The fact is that we’re not asking our players to be a bunch of choir boys. Sm...

    This is true, and outside of maybe Jones it appears they were removed from any kind of performance until that was cleared one way or another.

  • BobRedman said... This is true, and outside of maybe Jones it appears they were removed from any kind of performance until that was cleared one way or another.

    I think you missed his point. Huggins was not removed following his second incident, which involved violence against a woman. If he didn’t do it, then why did he miss 5 games for it? If the incident you described as rumors didn’t happen, then why was he dismissed? If there had been a zero tolerance policy, then Huggins wouldn’t have been around to victimize a third woman. Sure, you can play the game and play the no convictions card... and that’s fine. But can we please cease with the spin?

  • gatorbill116 said... (original post)

    BobRedman said... This is true, and outside of maybe Jones it appears they...

    Sigh..I will just send you a pm. Lol

  • Thomas Goldkamp said... (original post)

    Nurglings said... Correct me if I’m wrong but in his intro press conferenc...

    We’ve already seen him walk one of those rules back with Toney and his backseat AK.

    My problem isn’t with Toney owning an AK. I do have a problem with Huggins’ multiple incidents. But if there are going to be “zero tolerance” rules, I’d like them to either be enforced or just done away with if they won’t be enforced. End the farce. If choking a woman, playfully or not, doesn’t get you kicked off the team just say we don’t have a zero tolerance policy.

  • Nurglings said... We’ve already seen him walk one of those rules back with Toney and his backseat AK.My problem isn’t with Toney owning an AK. I do have a problem with Huggins’ mul...

    Right.

  • gatorbill116 said... I think you missed his point. Huggins was not removed following his second incident, which involved violence against a woman. If he didn’t do it, then why did ...

    Have to agree with Bill here. There are only two scenarios with Huggins —

    1) He was dismissed for the Oct incident only after it was made public

    2) There was an additional incident which could have been avoided if he wasn’t still with the team. And that is why he was dismissed.

    Neither is a good look.

  • gatorbait519 said... (original post)

    gatorbill116 said... I think you missed his point. Huggins was not removed...

    There was another incident.

  • PragmaticGator said... There was another incident.

    Im pretty sure there was too. But there are some on here that cling to there not being one. Even if there wasn’t — it’s a bad look.

    I can’t seee any logical spin on the Huggins situation either way.

  • gatorbill116 said... I think you missed his point. Huggins was not removed following his second incident, which involved violence against a woman. If he didn’t do it, then why did ...

    At the risk of being on the wrong side of this argument (i.e. potentially seeming to defend violence against women), I think there is potential that he did do something but that it was minor enough to allow him to stay. Not to say that pulling someone's hair or grabbing them around the neck is excusable but it is hardly on the same level as punching them in the face or kicking the crap out of them (see Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, etc.). I certainly don't know how severe the attack was but I don't think that it is necessarily fair to put everything under the same umbrella of violence against women.

  • My question is, why did she grab his phone instead of getting in contact with Mullen or a coach to inform them that Huggins was continuously leaving his sessions? He has no right to harm or grab someone, but she also has no right to confiscate his property until the session is over. I think it’s been said that the two didn’t have a relationship outside of tutoring, but why didn’t they move Huggins to a different tutor after the first incident of grabbing her hair and why was she allowing another football player braid her hair? Do we know what the timeline is on all of these instances that occurred?

  • We are down 6 players(Including Banks) since spring. How many scholarship players do we have now? Season can't get here soon enough !!!

  • PragmaticGator said... (original post)

    Another small detail to add is that I think it's been reported the staff knew about Jalon's legal matters prior to the Spring Game. So it's not like they immediately kept him out of playing like another staff might if two separate accusers came forward accusing him.

    Obviously, there's a process for these matters, but I don't think it's completely unjustifiable for him and the staff to take heat for these matters. Going 5-5 in less than 2 years on this stuff is pretty bad.

    I have to admit that I'm a fan of waiting untill all of the details are out untill actions are taken. This is a kid that your promised his family you would take care of. If later more of the story comes out showing the kid wasnt guilty you put yourself in a spot where you completely turned your back on a kid. Especially if charges havent been filed. Theres to many instances to count where false allegations screw a kid out of his future.

  • gatorbill116 said... (original post)

    BobRedman said... This is true, and outside of maybe Jones it appears they...

    I thought I read the second incident was a marajuna violation or am I mistaken? Also, has it been confirmed this was why Huggins was dismissed, or is this still being speculated?

    This post was edited by Franks_Said_Hush 11 months ago

  • Franks_Said_Hush said... (original post)

    I have to admit that I'm a fan of waiting untill all of the details are out untill actions are taken. This is a kid that your promised his family you would take care of. If later more of the story comes out showing the kid wasnt guilty you put yourself in a spot where you completely turned your back on a kid. Especially if charges havent been filed. Theres to many instances to count where false allegations screw a kid out of his future.

    They seemingly knew a lot about the details concerning Jalon and still played him. As TG said, the media heard about some of the stuff and expected him to be benched. And then days later he's off the team. I would have preferred he not play that spring game.

  • PragmaticGator said... They seemingly knew a lot about the details concerning Jalon and still played him. As TG said, the media heard about some of the stuff and expected him to be ...

    I don't know that I would consider playing in the spring game as "playing him". It is still just practice.

  • gatorbait519 said... (original post)

    PragmaticGator said... There was another incident. Im pretty sure there ...

    I dont think people are clinging to the idea that Huggins did not have another violation. I know I'm not, it's obviously pretty likley. I do however want to wait to judge him for something untill the details come out first. Do we know for a fact he didnt have a family incident even if it does sound fishy?