My quick take on the state of Florida recruiting

My quick take on the state of Florida recruiting

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  • Saw this tweet and blurted out some thoughts. Here they are.

    1) Dan Mullen has done a good job shoring up the talent at the bottom and in the middle of the roster. I think in the SEC those spots on the roster are more important than other leagues in terms of maintaining success.

    2) There's still no doubt that UF needs to be a little more competitive with the programs currently on top of the CFB food chain in winning battles for elite prospects (i.e. five-stars and Top 100 types).

    3) The difference between a Top 5 ranking and somewhere in, say, the 7-10 range or so, is typically just one or two truly elite recruits. UF hasn't had those.

    4) The improvement in building out the depth and talent on the bottom and middle of the roster (Point 1 in this thread) probably helps even more if you buy the theory Mullen and his staff are better evaluators than most.

    5) I'm not convinced yet one way or another that Mullen and his staff ARE better evaluators than others. Few thoughts on this. Next tweet.

    6) A) Not like they're not going after most of the same top recruits the big dogs are; just not winning enough of those battles. Yet. B) The 2019 class is a tough data set in that regard, it actually looks better on paper by far than it already is (Steele, Jones, Black all gone).

    7) Basically, I still don't think it's unfair at all to still have some lingering concerns about Mullen's recruiting -- see our jumping off point for this thread -- while also realizing he's improved the roster in spots that also matter considerably.

    8) Recruiting will always have swings. Usually not as good or as bad as it seems. Florida's on a good run right now. That's encouraging. Not worth making any sweeping declarations one way or another still.

  • Discussion
  • Good share Thommy.

  • All I read was, "WE BACK!!!"

  • This is pretty spot on.

  • I’m in the let it all play out mode. I think we’ll be fine but n the long run

  • Some really great points.

  • Not the “Usually not as good or as bad as it seems.”

    Last time you said that the wheels literally fell off the program for a couple of weeks.

  • I think if Mullen can have continued success on the field, I think it'll lead to getting those elite players. But if there was ever a must win game, I think it's this year in Jacksonville. Beating Miami and Fsu will definitely help his cause as well when it comes to recruiting. Go Gators

  • blakejacoby said... (original post)

    Not the “Usually not as good or as bad as it seems.”

    Last time you said that the wheels literally fell off the program for a couple of weeks.

    Lol whoops roflmao

  • It's pretty much impossible to separate being an above average talent evaluator and being an above average talent developer.

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  • Matryan22688 said... (original post)

    I think if Mullen can have continued success on the field, I think it'll lead to getting those elite players. But if there was ever a must win game, I think it's this year in Jacksonville. Beating Miami and Fsu will definitely help his cause as well when it comes to recruiting. Go Gators

    I almost added that as an additional point. Success breeds success and momentum tends to keep building ... in both directions. Just got to keep piling good stretches on good stretches and eventually you get there.

  • pogfee said... (original post)

    It's pretty much impossible to separate being an above average talent evaluator and being an above average talent developer.

    Great point.

  • So wait, you want to fire Dan Mullen?

  • Thomas Goldkamp said... (original post)

    Saw this tweet and blurted out some thoughts. Here they are.

    1) Dan Mullen has done a good job shoring up the talent at the bottom and in the middle of the roster. I think in the SEC those spots on the roster are more important than other leagues in terms of maintaining success.

    2) There's still no doubt that UF needs to be a little more competitive with the programs currently on top of the CFB food chain in winning battles for elite prospects (i.e. five-stars and Top 100 types).

    3) The difference between a Top 5 ranking and somewhere in, say, the 7-10 range or so, is typically just one or two truly elite recruits. UF hasn't had those.

    4) The improvement in building out the depth and talent on the bottom and middle of the roster (Point 1 in this thread) probably helps even more if you buy the theory Mullen and his staff are better evaluators than most.

    5) I'm not convinced yet one way or another that Mullen and his staff ARE better evaluators than others. Few thoughts on this. Next tweet.

    6) A) Not like they're not going after most of the same top recruits the big dogs are; just not winning enough of those battles. Yet. B) The 2019 class is a tough data set in that regard, it actually looks better on paper by far than it already is (Steele, Jones, Black all gone).

    7) Basically, I still don't think it's unfair at all to still have some lingering concerns about Mullen's recruiting -- see our jumping off point for this thread -- while also realizing he's improved the roster in spots that also matter considerably.

    8) Recruiting will always have swings. Usually not as good or as bad as it seems. Florida's on a good run right now. That's encouraging. Not worth making any sweeping declarations one way or another still.

    1 is positive.

    4 and 8 are neither positive or negative.

    2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 are negative.

    Could you wait at least a few hours after the good news on Powell and #5 class before you piss in our Wheaties?

    I’m braced for impact.

    This post was edited by g8ters 4 months ago

  • A measured take.

    Mullen has improved the roster but the talent level he’s bringing in isn’t good enough at this moment to compete for championships. We can win a lot of games recruiting at this level and have a lot of fun doing it but we need those big time difference makers, especially at the QB, DL and skill positions.

    But I think Mullen knows this. Gray helping secure Powell’s commitment is good news. Turner is surpassing expectations. We’ve cut some dead weight, hopefully we continue to do so. Improve the recruiting office, keep winning, and there’s no reason to think we can’t keep up with the top recruiting programs out there.

  • Rinicholas said... (original post)

    So wait, you want to fire Dan Mullen?

    Preferably immediately.

  • Solid takes

  • g8ters said... (original post)

    1 is positive.

    4 and 8 are neither positive or negative.

    2, 3, 5, 6 and 7 are negative.

    Could you wait at least a few hours after the good news on Powell and #5 class before you piss in our Wheaties?

    I'd argue 3 is at least pretty neutral. Meaning UF isn't as far off as it might seem from being right up there with some of the elite classes being pulled in by other programs.

  • 615 rite now

  • Thomas Goldkamp said... (original post)

    Preferably immediately.

    Should hire Willie Taggert while we're at it

  • I agree with all of this. Class could still end up top-5, or out of the top-10, but there are current problems regardless (although a top-5 obviously shows they have overcome to a certain extent). The only thing I’d add is that 1-2 elite players per year, if they’re 5-Stars, is 8 of your starting 22 over 4 years. Even if only about 5 pan out to be all-SEC, that’s huge.

  • blakejacoby said... (original post)

    Not the “Usually not as good or as bad as it seems.”

    Last time you said that the wheels literally fell off the program for a couple of weeks.

    It's a marathon

  • So basically he is raising the floor but not quite raising the ceiling in a championship level way at the moment

  • Matryan22688 said... (original post)

    I think if Mullen can have continued success on the field, I think it'll lead to getting those elite players. But if there was ever a must win game, I think it's this year in Jacksonville. Beating Miami and Fsu will definitely help his cause as well when it comes to recruiting. Go Gators

    Mullen is going to need continued success on the field to help improve recruiting for sure but I don't think any the WLOCP is a "must win." 10 regular season wins with wins over FSU and Miami will continue the positive momentum of the program - as long as we are at least competitive vs. UGa. A win there would obviously be a huge boost, but it's not a program breaker if we don't win.

    On a related point, I used to look at our recruits and judge them largely based on whether FSU and Miami were also in on them. If a kid had seriously reciprocated interest in those 2 programs (especially an in-state kid), he was probably a kid we should really want to get. That's not really true anymore. Obviously, they want the same top kids everybody else does but a 3 star or low 4 star kid choosing between UF and FSU or UM doesn't move the meter for me. If he's choosing between us and Bama, LSU, UGa, Clemson, or Texas A&M, I'm more interested in the kid than his ranking would suggest - much like it would have 3 years ago if his other choice was FSU or UM. Definitely weird, but I'm happy to see them fall behind the major powers (or in Miami's case, continue wallowing).

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