Differences Between GSU Football & GT Football today

Differences Between GSU Football & GT Football today

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  • Had an email conversation with a group of friends today & wanted to expand it out to the boards for other to chime in on.

    Georgia Tech Football is relevant again. A HUGE part of that is the charisma of their head coach. There is a segment of our fan base which grew up rooting for GT. I know several GSU grads who openly root for GT and attend games at BDS and give money to the AT fund.

    Sidenote: Your head coach doesn't always have to be a media magnet but it certainly doesn't hurt. GSU had a head coach that the media adored but we know the story there & it certainly doesn't need to be rehashed and regurgitated.

    GT drew just over 21K for their Spring Game tonight. It has been many years since we have announced attendance for a Spring Game but I attended each and every Spring game since 2010, except for this year's because my daughters were dancing at a competion in Carrollton. #DanceDad

    Stuff gets in the way. Young fans arent showing up for GSU events and it's not cool to go to a GSU Football Spring game. I get it. There are other things to do in our great city.

    The differences in the programs are too numerous to list. The Sun Belt is a G5. The ACC is a Power 5. The budget for GT and GSU aren't comparable overall or even just for football. Facilities are comparable, IMO, as capacities for the home stadiums are in the ballpark of each other.

    The differences between what Collins (an Atlanta native, BTW) and what CSE is doing is staggering. Paul Johnson made excuses on why he couldn't recruit and for years said recruiting rankings didnt matter. Collins is using the school's advantages and leveraging them. CSE is signing less Metro Atlanta kids with each passing cycle and that's alarming. Collins had more than 700 recruits invited to their game tonight. Several 4 and 5 stars were in their Stadium, on their campus and walking around their facilities. They've already signed a 4 star QB and 4 star RB from the state of Georgia. They currently have a Top 15 recruiting class nationally for 2020. We still don't have a commit for the 2020 class and I have been contacted by multiple Metro Atlanta high school coaches asking why GSU isn't recruiting Metro Atlanta kids as offers continue to be sent out to kids out of state.

    The GSU Football fan base is tiny. This isn't exactly breaking news. Depending on who you talk to, there are approximately 2000 season ticket holders and/or PAC members. This is significant. If someone put in a FOIA request for actual attendance for GSU Football games (like the AJC did for the Falcons and other events at MBS) it would be very damaging to the program. The numbers of supporters are very poor and some of the lowest in the D1 ranks (FBS & FCS).

    The very first Spring Game in 2010 drew just over 3100 to the Georgia Dome. The first ever game outgrew the Braves game taking place just down the street. Ahh...memories.

    After an interesting week that included an eye brow raising lecture by members of the athletics staff at a Spring Tour event, I wanted to throw this topic open.

    Also, if anyone attends a Spring Tour event, feel free to share it on the boards. There aren't many going from all indications and many stops seem to be stocked with the same people and GSU employees making up a tiny crowd.

    I am fond of a quote of GSU grad Andy Stanley - "There's no win in comparison."

    Yet, I freely admit I constantly compare my alma master's football program to many other downtown schools that I am very jealous of. Memphis, Temple, UCF and others.

    It is Year 3 for CSE and as some who have read these boards can surmise - it's a critical year for him and his staff. 2018 was a disaster. 2019 has to be better. If it's not, this program may be in serious trouble for its second decade of existence.

    That's right - this is Year 10. GSU Football has reached double digits in 2019. All the newness has been beaten out of it. 29 wins in 106 games will do that.

    For the record: GSU Football is not and will not be GT Football. That's not the point. They're an Atlanta school who is using each and every advantage to maximize their location into a brand. You think Collins mentioning Coke and Waffle House were accidental? Of course not...GT had been working on those two Atlanta based companies to get a bigger ad spend for a while.

    Someone said recently this is what Sports hell must feel like. It isnt hell but it feels like purgatory for the very few GSU fans who remain.

    This post was edited by Ben Moore 4 months ago

  • Discussion
  • I've never been less excited about athletics and especially football. Collins came in with a bang at GT and good for them. The 404 thing works and they're embracing it. Our coach thinks Atlanta is a fun place to visit.

    I'm curious what the eye brow raising lecture was about? Honestly didn't realize there was more than one spring tour event. Went to the website to check it out and couldn't find anything.

    PAC / Development seem to be making an effort to reach out, so kudos for that. I think CRL is a good hire and the staff he's assembled looks promising.

    My kids are getting older now and our weekend commitments aren't just at 9 AM on Saturday anymore. Didn't make it to the spring game this year -- it felt more like going through the motions than something I actually wanted to do.

    It's the offseason though, so maybe there is a renewed energy on the second Saturday in September...

  • Until CSE and co figure out that recruiting GA needs to be priority number one I honestly don’t expect much. Honestly I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling this will be a disappointing season but as stated I hope I’m wrong.

  • Hopefully Coach Jimmy Smith can recruit metro ATL..

  • CSE is going about this coaching thing all wrong apparently. His staff has changed each year significantly and we still aren't better on the field. I don't expect GSU to be GT, but I expect GSU to win more than one or two games a season. This is straight embarrassing at this point. In my opinion CSE should be on the hot seat with flames at his ears. This is his program and he is sucking right now.

  • Ben, I’ve got to say your post worries me. I really respect your insight into Panther Athletics and (based on this post) your tone seems less confident and positive than usual. I agree that I don’t expect us to be GT, but I do wish someone in Athletics would take a good hard look at how things are going. My thinking is that we need some serious help with marketing/image management and game-day experience to build any sort of fan base. Sometimes it feels like the AD and others think “if you build it, they will come...no matter how shoddy and disorganized the product is.” Perhaps that would work some places...It won’t here.

  • It’s interesting that Cobb’s contract hasn’t been extended yet. Though he’s done some nice things, the football program is ill and not healing fast enough. That program is the face of our athletics. As for Tech, that is a program we should aspire to, but we can’t compare us to them

  • I encourage of you have time to watch Waffle House Wednesdays where Roddy Jones interviews members of GT staff en route and whole eating Waffle House. So I am watching an episode with Coach Geoff Collins and Roddy and he are driving down Memorial Drive. Roddy says something to the effect of " So Coach we are in the area where you grew up , we just passed Candler Road, Covington How..." CGC cuts him off and turns around and points and says "I used to live RIGHT THERE..."

    So yeah...they have a coach who gets it and who can walk into living rooms in Atlanta and connect but also gets the value of recruiting this city and state.

  • Rupert12345 said... (original post)

    It’s interesting that Cobb’s contract hasn’t been extended yet. Though he’s done some nice things, the football program is ill and not healing fast enough. That program is the face of our athletics. As for Tech, that is a program we should aspire to, but we can’t compare us to them


    Nice things?

  • Panama68 said... (original post)

    Nice things?

    GSUS for one.

  • Min3 Max15 said... (original post)

    GSUS for one.

    GSU Foundation

  • Panama68 said... (original post)

    Nice things?

    Well, he’s been here when facilities have started. Olympic sports are doing well. The question we all have about him is the overall quality of his work warrant an extension? I don’t have a good answer because I don’t know all the issues he’s faced to get the department to this point. Things overall are better, but the football program is a huge issue. So is our fundraising, marketing, and image. I’d say those are better than before, but st some point we’ve gotta stop comparing us to what we were and start comparing us to what we want to become and where we are in the process and where we should be.

  • Panama68 said... (original post)

    GSU Foundation

    Money but not the process of converting. A good conversion was critical and he succeeded.

  • Georgia State University athletics/football should shut the money-pit down and beg to be merged with Georgia Tech. That's the only way Tech will ever compete for National Championships again, and the only way we poor down trodden GSU alums and students will have anything respectable to cheer and rally behind.

    All I see from GSU athletics is empty dreams (convocation center/baseball stadium)and promises that athletics can't plan, market, or even attempt to fund raise.

    The very mission of GSU is the "The State Way," an innovative diversity program that's designed to make college accessible to low income students who wouldn't be able to attend college otherwise. This segment of students and alums will never have the interest nor discretionary income to afford the luxury of attending football or basketball games on Saturday afternoons much less make financial contributions to PAC.

    Only adding to the alum and student disconnect is an aloof minor-league athletics director and department who thinks the best way to help a moribund football program is to hire his bush-league, Appalachian State-retread buddy, CSE who specializes in sweating and coach, player, and fan alienation.

    There are simply too many pieces of the GSU athletics puzzle that don't fit (vision, leadership, alums/students, financial) to ever aspire to be more than a minor-league-Last Chance U. "Go, Mud Dogs!"

    This post was edited by NRGSU 4 months ago

  • gsu alum 2000 said... (original post)

    CSE is going about this coaching thing all wrong apparently. His staff has changed each year significantly and we still aren't better on the field.

    I'm afraid this is false. Between year 1 and year 2, we lost one coach, CB Coach Sam Shade to the Cleveland Browns. I don't include Jess Simpson because he left before he coached in any games. We added 2 coaches for 2018. One to replace Sam Shade and another to coach RBs so Josh Stepp could focus on TEs.

    After 2018, we did not do well on the field and we didn't do as well as we could have in recruiting, so CSE made changes, as he should have. Of the new hires, the only one where i fear a drop off is Brad Glenn replacing Trickett as OC, but we will just have to wait and see how that turns out. I am not going to automatically assume that he will be a failure.

  • andyrwisc said... (original post)

    Ben, I’ve got to say your post worries me. I really respect your insight into Panther Athletics and (based on this post) your tone seems less confident and positive than usual. I agree that I don’t expect us to be GT, but I do wish someone in Athletics would take a good hard look at how things are going. My thinking is that we need some serious help with marketing/image management and game-day experience to build any sort of fan base. Sometimes it feels like the AD and others think “if you build it, they will come...no matter how shoddy and disorganized the product is.” Perhaps that would work some places...It won’t here.

    The current administration thinks everything is fine. They hammer anyone who complains and CC has run everyone off who question anything he does. He has a balanced budget and that's all Becker cares about at this point.

    I was invited by a member of the GT staff to come last night and I couldn't make the schedule work or I would have been there.

    GSU Football is irrelevant right now and an already fragile fan base is being forced to wonder about the program. CSE has closed practices and restricts the flow of information to anyone not in the building.

    There is very little to give me confidence about what's currently going on. The level of arrogance shown publicly by CC and CSE this Spring is truly something to behold. The "We Got This" attitude is a cancer that needs to be stomped out yet is allowed to continue under the current administration...

  • Rupert12345 said... (original post)

    Well, he’s been here when facilities have started. Olympic sports are doing well. The question we all have about him is the overall quality of his work warrant an extension? I don’t have a good answer because I don’t know all the issues he’s faced to get the department to this point. Things overall are better, but the football program is a huge issue. So is our fundraising, marketing, and image. I’d say those are better than before, but st some point we’ve gotta stop comparing us to what we were and start comparing us to what we want to become and where we are in the process and where we should be.

    May want to go check the records of those Olympic sports...

    This post was edited by Ben Moore 4 months ago

  • just curious...what is the reasoning behind the closed practices and not allowing the few fans that you do have access to info on what is going on? So we don't get our a$es beat even worse by opponents who are scouting practices?

  • Min3 Max15 said... (original post)

    Money but not the process of converting. A good conversion was critical and he succeeded.

    So pressuring athletics staff, coaches and student athletes to help the conversion and painting the facility so he could save money and not hire professionals is what you describe as "good"?

  • Ben, does ADCC survive a new President? I’ll assume Becker gives him an extension past 2021, but Becker leaves around that time. It sounds like you’re (as you are the closest thing we have to an inside guy) says he gets an extension, but you’d be unhappy about it.

  • Oh, and that new AD at Tech is killing it. Partner beware.

  • Ben Moore said... (original post)

    So pressuring athletics staff, coaches and student athletes to help the conversion and painting the facility so he could save money and not hire professionals is what you describe as "good"?

    That he got it done and on time. There are goods and bads here and honestly I forgot about the "forced labor."

  • Stansbury is turning the Tech ship around seemingly with one good hire in football coach Collins. Hell, Tech generated more media buzz in one day for a spring football game, 21,000 attendance, than GSU will have in five years, including NCAA tournament appearances.

    Football is the engine that drives all successful athletics departments. Fix GSU football maybe, just maybe you'll have a fighting chance.

  • Build powerhouse football and basketball teams that consistently win with style and you start getting noticed.

    Win, win, win, and win some more. Find local kids with local connections and hometown feel-good stories that win in and out of the classroom.

    Once, GSU has winning down in football and basketball, leave the minor-league Sun Belt conference and go Independent like Tech did in the 70s. Set your own high-profile powerhouse schedule, ala FSU and Miami in the 80s, and play anyone, anytime and anywhere. Do 2 for 1s, 3 for 1s, anything it takes to put on a show against name-brand teams that Atlanta will care about, LSU, Penn State, UNC, South Carolina, etc.

    A case for independent and history of success:

    Notre Dame
    Georgia Tech
    Penn State
    Florida State
    Miami
    South Carolina
    UCF
    TCU
    BYU
    Army

    Just play all one-time independents and you have a powerhouse schedule. You've got to win first.

    This post was edited by NRGSU 4 months ago

  • Rupert12345 said... (original post)

    Ben, does ADCC survive a new President? I’ll assume Becker gives him an extension past 2021, but Becker leaves around that time. It sounds like you’re (as you are the closest thing we have to an inside guy) says he gets an extension, but you’d be unhappy about it.

    No idea but I had a student athlete tell me recently that there is so much of a mediocrity mindset right now that it disgusted her. Teams are losing and no one seems to care.

    Football is a joke , yet their players still act like they're all headed to the NFL. They're not well liked on campus.

    Other sports are losing in big ways (anyone catch baseball lose 27-2 last night vs. Coastal?). Softball is going thru their worst season in years.

    I believe Becker will see out his contract and then retire to climbing mountains and other things.

    This post was edited by Ben Moore 4 months ago

  • NRGSU said... (original post)

    Build powerhouse football and basketball teams that consistently win with style and you start getting noticed.

    Win, win, win, and win some more. Find local kids with local connections and hometown feel-good stories that win in and out of the classroom.

    Once, GSU has winning down in football and basketball, leave the minor-league Sun Belt conference and go Independent like Tech did in the 70s. Set your own high-profile powerhouse schedule, ala FSU and Miami in the 80s, and play anyone, anytime and anywhere. Do 2 for 1s, 3 for 1s, anything it takes to put on a show against name-brand teams that Atlanta will care about, LSU, Penn State, UNC, South Carolina, etc.

    A case for independent and history of success:

    Notre Dame

    Georgia Tech

    Penn State

    Florida State

    Miami

    South Carolina

    UCF

    TCU

    BYU

    Army

    Just play all one-time independents and you have a powerhouse schedule. You've got to win first.

    Independents have to have money and resources. GSU Athletics doesn't have money.