Big West denies UC San Diego membership

Big West denies UC San Diego membership

  • So what if UCSD gets mad and pulls out of the new Big West Volleyball conference as an associate member  ?
    No auto bid to the NCAA championships.
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    "  The university on Thursday was informed by the Big West Conference that its application to join the league and thus begin its path to NCAA Division I status in all sports would not be happening at this time.  ...
    It basically boiled down to the fact the conference has not been in expansion mode,” Farrell said in a telephone interview Thursday night. “It was not something we were pursuing until the interest of UC San Diego came to us.
    “At the end of the day, our board of directors just felt that right now they’re comfortable with the makeup of the conference. They’re comfortable with the balance of the membership. There wasn’t an overriding interest inchanging it.”
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    The Big West is made up of four UC schools (Irvine, Riverside, Santa Barbara, Davis), four Cal State schools (Long Beach, Fullerton, Northridge, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) and Hawaii, which was the last school to be admitted into the conference in 2012.
    In May 2016, UCSD students voted overwhelmingly to approve a hike in fees that would fund Division I athletics, specifically with a move into the Big West.
    In January, the UCSD faculty approved the rise to Div. I with a support of 62 percent when only a simple majority is required.

    The conference had four men’s basketball teams ranked in the top 100 in RPI in 2015-16;
    Hawaii’s women’s volleyball team made it to the NCAA Elite Eight in 2015; and three different baseball teams have reached the College World Series in successive years. "
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    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-ucsd-20170406-story.html

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  • islandman5 wrote: So what if UCD gets mad and pulls out of the new Big West Volleyball conference as an associate member  ?
    No auto bid to the NCAA championships.
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    "  The university on Thursday was informed by the Big West Conference that its application to join the league and thus begin its path to NCAA Division I status in all sports would not be happening at this time.  ...
    It basically boiled down to the fact the conference has not been in expansion mode,” Farrell said in a telephone interview Thursday night. “It was not something we were pursuing until the interest of UC San Diego came to us.
    “At the end of the day, our board of directors just felt that right now they’re comfortable with the makeup of the conference. They’re comfortable with the balance of the membership. There wasn’t an overriding interest in changing it.”
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    The Big West is made up of four UC schools (Irvine, Riverside, Santa Barbara, Davis), four Cal State schools (Long Beach, Fullerton, Northridge, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo) and Hawaii, which was the last school to be admitted into the conference in 2012.
    In May 2016, UCSD students voted overwhelmingly to approve a hike in fees that would fund Division I athletics, specifically with a move into the Big West.
    In January, the UCSD faculty approved the rise to Div. I with a support of 62 percent when only a simple majority is required.

    The conference had four men’s basketball teams ranked in the top 100 in RPI in 2015-16;
    Hawaii’s women’s volleyball team made it to the NCAA Elite Eight in 2015; and three different baseball teams have reached the College World Series in successive years. "
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    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/aztecs/sd-sp-ucsd-20170406-story.html
    I guess they need to offer to pay to play like UH did to get into the conference. noidea
  • Ha! Maybe UCSD can join the WAC for now?

  • No one wants to join the WAC. It's the conference for outcast schools.

  •  I thought UCSD would be a shoe-in kinda surprised by the results. Wondering if the vote was unanimous?  

  • Am sure Hawaii said no. They pay enough travel subsidies already.
    Big West doesn't want to bring any school into conference if it means
    expenses will increase for traveling. Also NCAA payouts will decrease
    by one share if another school added.

  • Ucsd brings nothing of worth to the table no surprise here.

  • If I remember correctly UH does not have to pay travel for any new teams joining the BW after they did.

  • FlexibleFlyer wrote:

    If I remember correctly UH does not have to pay travel for any new teams joining the BW after they did.

    That's correct.

  • A bit of an update. Back in May, UCSD Chancellor Pradeep Khosla said his impression from talking to the Cal State bloc is that Cal State Bakersfield should be added if UCSD is to get into the Big West

    http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/education/sd-me-pradeep-khosla-20170526-story.html?utm_content=bufferad194&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    "If you look at the (Big West vote), I’m told, the UC chancellors voted yes and the Cal State chancellors voted no. And what I’m given to understand is that the Cal State leaders believe that Cal State Bakersfield should be admitted if UC San Diego is voted in. I’m also told that, in the past, Bakersfield’s request to be admitted into the Big West was not approved.

    I’m a pretty egalitarian, inclusive guy. My view is let both institutions be admitted. We are not doing this for the edification of the chancellor or the institution. We are doing this for these young men and women who are students. It’s not like we are going to make millions and millions of dollars. All of these campuses are not in big TV viewing areas."

    Now you're all caught up. UCSD's referendum expires September 2018. If they are not invited into the Big West by that time, the student vote will be nullified and their fee increases reversed.

    Obviously they would remain in Division 2 until a new referendum is voted on. But their chancellor is not looking anywhere else.

    This post was edited by jdgaucho 2 years ago

  • No to both of them. We don't need two more mouths to feed. Looks how long it's taken UC-Davis to get going and they were strong in their old division. Let Bakersfield and San Diego continue to improve their programs and facilities first.

  • WACFAN said... (original post)

    No to both of them. We don't need two more mouths to feed. Looks how long it's taken UC-Davis to get going and they were strong in their old division. Let Bakersfield and San Diego continue to improve their programs and facilities first.

    UCSD actually has a lot upside and possibility to grow. Bakersfield OTOH, no. They'd be UCR 2.0.

  • I say let UCSD in. Their athletic programs appear to be decent, and there will be some academic prestige for the conference. Do the Cal State schools have some kind of an inferiority complex? Adding UCSD will give the Wahine a travel partner so that the Wahine aren't always (or seemingly always) playing two matches each weekend while the opponents only play one and can rest and focus on the Wahine. Adding CSU Bakersfield with UCSD as a package deal will maintain an odd number of schools to give everyone byes one game on the weekend they play UH to maintain their advantage.

    BWC is a really a California school conference with UH in there for telling recruits that they will get to travel to 808, so I see no way Grand Canyon can get in.

  • liveALOHA said... (original post)

    UCSD actually has a lot upside and possibility to grow. Bakersfield OTOH, no. They'd be UCR 2.0.

    More like UCR 1/2. At least there would finally be a stadium where no UH fans show up to ruin home court advantage. ??

  • Duster8 said... (original post)

    I say let UCSD in. Their athletic programs appear to be decent, and there will be some academic prestige for the conference. Do the Cal State schools have some kind of an inferiority complex? Adding UCSD will give the Wahine a travel partner so that the Wahine aren't always (or seemingly always) playing two matches each weekend while the opponents only play one and can rest and focus on the Wahine. Adding CSU Bakersfield with UCSD as a package deal will maintain an odd number of schools to give everyone byes one game on the weekend they play UH to maintain their advantage.

    BWC is a really a California school conference with UH in there for telling recruits that they will get to travel to 808, so I see no way Grand Canyon can get in.

    I agree, UCSD would be a good long-term play for the conference (great academic school in a big market with one of the top athletic programs in D-II), and the addition would even out the schedule so it's no longer possible to intentionally discriminate against the Wahine.

    I also agree that GCU is a non-starter. The current BWC members won't vote to add a private religious for-profit school with more resources to pour into athletics than they have.

    This post was edited by HawaiiMongoose 2 years ago

  • Duster8 said... (original post)

    I say let UCSD in. Their athletic programs appear to be decent, and there will be some academic prestige for the conference. Do the Cal State schools have some kind of an inferiority complex? Adding UCSD will give the Wahine a travel partner so that the Wahine aren't always (or seemingly always) playing two matches each weekend while the opponents only play one and can rest and focus on the Wahine. Adding CSU Bakersfield with UCSD as a package deal will maintain an odd number of schools to give everyone byes one game on the weekend they play UH to maintain their advantage.

    BWC is a really a California school conference with UH in there for telling recruits that they will get to travel to 808, so I see no way Grand Canyon can get in.

    Yes, they have an inferiority complex, and the UC schools have a superiority complex. The UC system is built where the UC schools are the top academic schools and the Cal State schools are supposedly the next level down, between the UC schools and the community colleges.

  • Sheby H Lernandez said... (original post)

    the whole process of UCSD was shady to being with. The students who voted them into Div.I are long gone from that campus; they don't have to pay anymore in tuition/fees.

    They're still affiliated with MVB however. IF they should get habute / nuha with the deal, switch them out w upstart Grand Canyon imo.

    It hasn't been that long. The referendum was held in May 2016. I'm sure there are still plenty of students on campus who voted then.

  • HawaiiMongoose said... (original post)

    I agree, UCSD would be a good long-term play for the conference (great academic school in a big market with one of the top athletic programs in D-II), and the addition would even out the schedule so it's no longer possible to intentionally discriminate against the Wahine.

    I also agree that GCU is a non-starter. The current BWC members won't vote to add a private religious for-profit school with more resources to pour into athletics than they have.

    Money talks Mongoose, and GCU has lots of it. That, and they're not Bakersfield who is equally a non-starter. GCU has other positives working in their favor which make them intriguing.

    I don't know what to expect. If there is truly a concern about the Cal State / UC balance - everyone stayed silent when SDSU was briefly added - then UCSD is not getting in without Bakersfield (whom nobody wants), and fwiw the Big West has never operated with 11 members. Which is partly why I think GCU or someone else outside CA could be in play.

    This post was edited by jdgaucho 2 years ago

  • We know how eight members voted. But what about the Rainbows?

  • jdgaucho said... (original post)

    We know how eight members voted. But what about the Rainbows?

    Does it take a simple majority to gain membership or 2/3, or 3/4, or a unanimous vote? Regardless, it would be weak if UH voted no.

  • Duster8 said... (original post)

    Does it take a simple majority to gain membership or 2/3, or 3/4, or a unanimous vote? Regardless, it would be weak if UH voted no.

    I think I read somewhere it had to be unanimous.

  • Duster8 said... (original post)

    Does it take a simple majority to gain membership or 2/3, or 3/4, or a unanimous vote? Regardless, it would be weak if UH voted no.

    3/4. So in this case, 7 of 9.

  • DCWarrior said... (original post)

    Yes, they have an inferiority complex, and the UC schools have a superiority complex. The UC system is built where the UC schools are the top academic schools and the Cal State schools are supposedly the next level down, between the UC schools and the community colleges.

    Doesn’t bode well for San Diego State to the PAC-12

  • jdgaucho said... (original post)

    3/4. So in this case, 7 of 9.

    7 of 9 is one of my favorites!

    This post was edited by iGrokSpock 2 years ago

  • Hubba hubba on 7 of 9!