Ugly article in the Statesman about Vandal

Ugly article in the Statesman about Vandal

  • Athletics. Not a good look for Spear or Petrino. Stuff like this gets people fired.

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  • I can't believe it took the statesman this long to finally get wind of this....I read an article about this in twitterverse about 6 months ago. spear is Teflon boy, it will slide right off of him.

  • I would be more worried about Petrino but a lot of shifting blame by Spear in the article. Maybe Staben has been waiting for something like this to come along so he can clean clean house.

    This post was edited by vancouver31 2 years ago

  • LINK

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/article204212454.html

    Wow. This is quite the article. A must read. And, why aren't heads rolling?

    This post was edited by joeyvee 2 years ago

  • They both need to be let go!

  • Wow, Jahrie Level was a piece of shit. And that picture of him in the Statesman makes him look like a crackhead.

    I mean, could be worse. This kind of shit could be happening every year in bigger numbers like it does down at BJC.

    But yeah, fire Spear please. This is really fucked up. Fire Paul too. Why not?

    First the drop down, then the basketball team blows the only chance they've had to make the NCAA tournament in years, now this horrible shit. I'm done man. The big name athletics at this school are fucked.

    Just cut football and men's basketball so I don't have to be constantly embarrassed. God dammit.

    This post was edited by CaveJohnson 2 years ago

  • Cave, good post. I can't believe no one got their ass kicked and sent packing. Five years of hide the button and "shut up" and distract and....well, geez, Cave says it all tonight.

  • To a much lesser degree, remember the book store stealing spree? Petrino and Spear tried to cover it up as soon as it happened. How do I know? I talked to the book store manager and he told me to my face that Petrino asked him not to file charges, don't talk to the press, say nothing and he would bring all the stuff back. Spear knew about it and approved. This is small potatoes compared to what happened to the young girl but it is a pattern. Both of them should have been sent packing 5 years ago. It reminds me of politics in DC when something bad happens. Cover you arse at all costs.

  • What it shows is the pressure to win, even at a small time place like Idaho, and whether it's external or internal pressure, allows folks to justify all kinds of disgusting behavior. I saw a lot "I assumed" from Rob. Not acceptable. He's smarter than that and he's a detail guy. He chose not to. Petrino chose not to until there was no choice. Perhaps more like his brother than we thought. If they notified the president's office, would that have been Burnett or Nellis? Someone there screwed up royally.

    What should have happened immediately is the University should have told these ladies that their best option would be to file criminal charges, so he could be held accountable that way, everyone would know what a shit stain he was and then University could easily dismiss him. He committed crimes of violence, not academic fraud, so the punishment should have fit the crime. Just kicking him out of school, which seems to be the only goal of Title IX, doesn't protect anyone at Stony Brook. A criminal conviction for battery might have.

    Seems a fireable offense to me.

  • Spear = Pontius Pilot defense.
    Patrino = Sgt. Schultz defense.
    At least Spear owns it NOW, Petrino still doing the Schultz thing (good example to his kids).
    Headkick's right criminal charges should have been filed vs this guy. Where were the Moscow police on this? This is was a cover-up plain and simple.,,

  • SirVandal said... (original post)

    Spear = Pontius Pilot defense.

    Patrino = Sgt. Schultz defense.

    At least Spear owns it NOW, Petrino still doing the Schultz thing (good example to his kids).

    Headkick's right criminal charges should have been filed vs this guy. Where were the Moscow police on this? This is was a cover-up plain and simple.,,

    From the article, the police told the girls and the school they thought they had cause to file, but she didn't press charges because most folks said the University was the proper avenue. I don't put blame on the MPD in this one.

  • Hi, usually just read posts on here and move on. This article is very interesting. On one hand, you have a complaint by a female athlete (very valid and proven true by video evidence). I’m confused at the “cover up” that everyone is claiming. For me reading the article, he was kicked off the team about 2 weeks after the complaint was made. Do we not investigate or allow due process? It seems to me the complaint was made, investigated and he was removed from the team.

  • Trasesam said... (original post)

    Hi, usually just read posts on here and move on. This article is very interesting. On one hand, you have a complaint by a female athlete (very valid and proven true by video evidence). I’m confused at the “cover up” that everyone is claiming. For me reading the article, he was kicked off the team about 2 weeks after the complaint was made. Do we not investigate or allow due process? It seems to me the complaint was made, investigated and he was removed from the team.

    The issue is nothing happened when dealing with the athletic department. It only moved in the right direction once she had gone to the Women's Center. They did the right thing. Had she not done that, I'm not anything would have come of this. The article points out that the athletic department, honestly, mostly Rob, failed repeatedly. They didn't act when they got the information and then they never communicated to her what was happening as the events actually unfolded.

  • In most of these cases the local authorities and the Universities seem to be confused on what to do. As a former military member I look at it this way. If a military member gets in trouble off base and is liable to some kind of prosecution then the local authorities prosecute. If that happens and there is a prosecution of some kind, then the military must then takes action as part of their duties. If the incident occurs between two military members but still off base then the same applies. If on base then its a different matter entirely. If MPD has jurisdiction over interactions between students on campus and off then it is their responsibility to file any charges and prosecute. Which is why this is so confusing and is why so many Universities are finding themselves at fault. Does McDonalds report sexual harassment in the work place to the authorities or should they start. Should sexual harassment go down as an official crime now that companies and organizations are being held liable for everything. I am not acting as an apologist but as an actual person who thinks that there should be an actual procedure for this.

    This post was edited by idirish 2 years ago

  • idirish said... (original post)

    In most of these cases the local authorities and the Universities seem to be confused on what to do. As a former military member I look at it this way. If a military member gets in trouble off base and is liable to some kind of prosecution then the local authorities prosecute. If that happens and there is a prosecution of some kind, then the military must then takes action as part of their duties. If the incident occurs between two military members but still off base then the same applies. If on base then its a different matter entirely. If MPD has jurisdiction over interactions between students on campus and off then it is their responsibility to file any charges and prosecute. Which is why this is so confusing and is why so many Universities are finding themselves at fault. Does McDonalds report sexual harassment in the work place to the authorities or should they start. Should sexual harassment go down as an official crime now that companies and organizations are being held liable for everything. I am not acting as an apologist but as an actual person who thinks that there should be an actual procedure for this.

    I think are there two distinct acts here. The first part of what he did was verbal harassment, which is not criminal, but should certainly have consequences. The second part of this escalated to physical assault, which is obviously criminal. I wish she would have pressed charges. I would not expect any University to adequately deal with a criminal matter. And if you leave it the school, there is no real world consequence for criminal activity. He gets kicked out of school. So what.

  • If ever there was a time and a reason to fire Spear, this is it.

    Forget about all the incompetence in his actual job. EVERY employee of any organization has a responsibility to look out for the safety of others, whether it's specifically spelled out in their job description or not. It's called being a decent human being.

    Above and beyond that, he's the Director of the freaking Athletic Department. Nobody wants to hear this BS about "Uh, gee, um, I'm not sure what the rules are, and I don't know who told me what or who I had a conversation". That's crap and he knows it. It's his freaking job to know the rules and make sure they're carried out.

    I'm all for due process, but there are ways to make that happen without continuing to allow a student to be in possible danger. The day he, or anybody in the department, was notified of the accusation Level should have been suspended from both the team and school and told not to set foot on campus. Then you let the police investigation play out. If it's found that the accusations are false then he get reinstated, if they're true he gets expelled and both the school and the police should assist the young lady in prosecuting him to the full extent of the law.

    And for the record, the picture in the article doesn't make Jahrie Level look like a crackhead. He looked like a crackhead up close, in person, and very possibly was a crackhead.

  • TyVandal said... (original post)

    If ever there was a time and a reason to fire Spear, this is it.

    Forget about all the incompetence in his actual job. EVERY employee of any organization has a responsibility to look out for the safety of others, whether it's specifically spelled out in their job description or not. It's called being a decent human being.

    Above and beyond that, he's the Director of the freaking Athletic Department. Nobody wants to hear this BS about "Uh, gee, um, I'm not sure what the rules are, and I don't know who told me what or who I had a conversation". That's crap and he knows it. It's his freaking job to know the rules and make sure they're carried out.

    I'm all for due process, but there are ways to make that happen without continuing to allow a student to be in possible danger. The day he, or anybody in the department, was notified of the accusation Level should have been suspended from both the team and school and told not to set foot on campus. Then you let the police investigation play out. If it's found that the accusations are false then he get reinstated, if they're true he gets expelled and both the school and the police should assist the young lady in prosecuting him to the full extent of the law.

    And for the record, the picture in the article doesn't make Jahrie Level look like a crackhead. He looked like a crackhead up close, in person, and very possibly was a crackhead.

    Your post is well taken by many in the COU, Ty. Your opening sentence, I can add, has legs. We may see Staben act? This is not off the shelf and has many getting involved and contacting the right people. Petrino is culpable too.

  • This is not the first Title IX clusterfuk at Idaho.

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article179824656.html

  • i hate that the statesman acts as if it is deepthroat two. Didnt this happen at Boise State like three times. Once again though I find these investigations of Universities to be out of sync. If like the Jaemis Winston case we find that authorities colluded with the University then we have issues. How about zero cover up and the media is just upset they never found out as if they are suppossed to be told everything. I feel for the women but press charges.

    This post was edited by idirish 2 years ago

  • Here's one example from BJC. It's totally insane that the police are not required to be the primary investigators in (title IX) cases where the law was alleged to have been broken. It almost sends a message that if you want to assault somebody, do it in college because charges might not ever be pressed in a court of law!

    http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/education/boise-state-university/article80245812.html

  • It wasn’t the women’s center or dean of students that got the police involved reading from the article. It also wasn’t them putting pressure on the athletic dpt to get rid of the kid.
    It was the young women telling her story to Lehmitz, the police officer. Spear told her to press charges. Level was suspended from the team and then dismissed. The article weaves quite a bit but the bottom line is the athletic dpt can’t kick a kid out of school. Taking his scholarship is effectively doing that.

  • Was this BSU article 3/4 of the front page? I doubt it. The Statesman has next to nothing about UI year round and NOW all of a sudden UI exists?

  • headkick said... (original post)

    From the article, the police told the girls and the school they thought they had cause to file, but she didn't press charges because most folks said the University was the proper avenue. I don't put blame on the MPD in this one.

    If you read the entire article, she did press charges a few weeks after the assault (after going to the Women's Center) but for some nutty reason this type of assault is only a misdemeanor in Idaho. Level was already in Florida by then and they don't extradite people for misdemeanors. The statute of limitations was for this was only one year so when the year ran up the case is supposed to be dropped (though do to a clerical error it wasn't closed until a few weeks ago).

    If her and her mother would not have pursued this and chosen to press charges, Level would never have been kicked off the team and she would have transferred for her senior year.

    Seems kind of crazy, but apparently you can avoid prosecution by simply leaving the state and never coming back.

    This post was edited by Spot50B 2 years ago

  • Spot50B said... (original post)

    If you read the entire article, she did press charges a few weeks after the assault (after going to the Women's Center) but for some nutty reason this type of assault is only a misdemeanor in Idaho. Level was already in Florida by then and they don't extradite people for misdemeanors. The statute of limitations was for this was only one year so when the year ran up the case is supposed to be dropped (though do to a clerical error it wasn't closed until a few weeks ago).

    If her and her mother would not have pursued this and chosen to press charges, Level would never have been kicked off the team and she would have transferred for her senior year.

    Seems kind of crazy, but apparently you can avoid prosecution by simply leaving the state and never coming back.

    I was unclear, I apologize. The Athletic Department did not encourage her to press charges and it appears she thought they would actually handle it correctly and protect her. They did not. And Idaho's law is absurd. After meeting with the Women's Center and then the Dean's office, they decided shortly after to press charges. I think the AD's immediate concern was the optics, not the student.

  • SirVandal said... (original post)

    Was this BSU article 3/4 of the front page? I doubt it. The Statesman has next to nothing about UI year round and NOW all of a sudden UI exists?

    No, it wasn't. And they conveniently didn't report hardly anything after this article...bsu swept this under the rug and because Peterson left and this dipshit transferred to Baylor they had a perfect excuse to not pursue this. However, I do believe this student athlete that was assaulted sued bsu and won quite a bit of money. But heaven forbid anyone at the statesman follow that up.

    Both instances are tragedies and my heart goes out to the young ladies that felt their university's let them down.

  • MrVandaltoYou said... (original post)

    No, it wasn't. And they conveniently didn't report hardly anything after this article...bsu swept this under the rug and because Peterson left and this dipshit transferred to Baylor they had a perfect excuse to not pursue this. However, I do believe this student athlete that was assaulted sued bsu and won quite a bit of money. But heaven forbid anyone at the statesman follow that up.

    Both instances are tragedies and my heart goes out to the young ladies that felt their university's let them down.

    Yeah, I'm really not sure how nothing of significance has happened at BJC with all this crap.

    I really hope some people are held responsible at Idaho. This is just fucking awful. Spear not getting canned after this does not reflect well on the school.

    Problem is that his replacement will probably be some pussy yes-man that will bow down to Dumb Fuck Chuck.