November 4th...The Revolution Will NOT Begin

November 4th...The Revolution Will NOT Begin

  • Good story about how the Trumpaloes don't really know anything about Antifa and who they are aligned with on the left, but how Alex Jones and Gateway Pundit can get them stirred up and believing absolute nonsense:

    "If you are inside the “alt-right” information bubble, you might be preparing yourself for a civil war to commence this Saturday.

    Since late September, the idea has been circulating on Facebook groups, subreddit message boards, Twitter, and leading conspiracy media outlets that on 4 November, anti-fascist groups will begin a violent insurrection.

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    Some websites are telling their readers that antifa groups are “planning to kill every single Trump voter, Conservative and gun owner” this weekend. Hundreds of Facebook posts show how seriously consumers of such media are taking the news, and comments like “One more threat against white people and I swear to God I’m going to take a goddamn car and run over every fucking one of them” are not unrepresentative of the response.

    But antifa groups have no plans to protest that day, and the small leftist groups who are planning protests have only dubious connections to the antifa movement. So what gives?

    The whole thing rests on some very slender reeds, according to Spencer Sunshine, who recently wrote a report on the theories for the far right-monitoring group Political Research Associates. In the conspiracy underground on YouTube, he explains, there has been talk that “there was going to be a civil war” starting in November for some months.

    Beginning in late September, three things kicked it a into higher gear. First, Refuse Fascism, a small group linked to the Revolutionary Communist party, staged a visually spectacular protest in Los Angeles. They blocked the 101 freeway and held up signs that enigmatically spelled out “Nov 4 it begins”. This is the same group that is organizing a series of protests around the country against the “Trump-Pence regime” this weekend.

    Second, a video posted on a Facebook page called Vets Before Illegals went viral. The video, entitled “Antifa sets a date for civil war”, claimed that “on their website, they are calling for an open civil war that will start in November”, and set out alleged plans for attacking police officers, then citizens and the government.

    Last, but by no means least, the rumor was picked up and amplified by Alex Jones, the radio star with an audience of millions. As Sunshine explains, Jones “is a kind of meta-conspiracy theorist now” who “harvests other people’s theories” and repackages them to fit his narratives and his audience.

    Once Jones had mentioned it, Sunshine explains, the rumor mill exploded: “Once Jones says something, even more people pick up on it and put their own spin on it.” Jones’s website was still running the story on Wednesday morning.

    In recent days, the story took an absurd turn, and had its closest brush with more mainstream conservative media, when Gateway Pundit, a longtime conservative blog that has recently expanded into news coverage, published a story by its White House correspondent, Lucian Wintrich, claiming that an “antifa leader” had promised to “behead white parents” on 4 November.

    The tweet the story was based on, however, was a joke from an account that had no apparent ties to any antifa groups.

    In a telephone interview, Wintrich conceded that the tweet his reporting was based on was not serious, and that it was unlikely that there would be a revolution on Saturday. But he did not back away from the story, presenting it as a critique of leftist rhetoric.

    “The radical left is always making jokes about killing white people. What would happen if I made a joke about killing all black parents? That would be a national headline.

    “If it’s appropriate for them to demonize [conservatives] over quite innocent jokes, why would we just roll over when they make inappropriate jokes? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.”

    The piece included a detailed account of antifa ideology, which included the claim that the activists “are larpers (‘live action role-play’) attempting to find someone/thing to sexually interact with”.

    When asked what sources he drew on in reporting on their ideology, Wintrich said: “I did go to school at Bard College. I received my education around people who I’m sure are on terrorist watchlists as socialist or communist extremists.”

    As Sunshine says, Refuse Fascism activists have been supportive of antifa groups in the past, and often show up to the same demonstrations, but there is “no formal connection” between them and antifa. They are also small, he says, and their protest is explicitly nonviolent and specifically directed against the administration, not rightwing activists or police.

    Mark Bray, historian and author of Antifa: The Antifascist Handbook, agrees. “Prior to 2017, the far right didn’t really know what antifa was,” he says, adding that the focus on these groups has a number of causes. It is an extension of the demonization of anarchists in general, but it is also a way to smear mainstream liberals who have no links to antifascist groups.

    And to some extent, this particular panic has succeeded in energizing a particular slice of the right. As Sunshine puts it: “It motivates the base, it’s part of the apocalyptic narrative they use – there’s always a dangerous event just over the horizon.” Also, he says: “It’s a call for vigilante activity. There are currently tons of threats against leftwing activists.”

    And unless there is a confrontation as a result of rightwing counter-protesters turning out to shut down the “revolution”, it’s all likely to come to nothing.

    “There is no revolution or civil war planned for 4 November,” says Bray. “You can quote me on that.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/01/far-right-conspiracy-theory-us-civil-war

  • Discussion
  • I've heard absolutely nothing about this, except from GregA.

  • Huh?

  • I've got a friend whose dad is all-in on this. Told her to be ready for him to come pick her up once the shooting starts on Saturday.

  • Remember, remember the fourth of November

    The ANTIFA violence plot ought never be forgot

  • Stormbird said... (original post)

    I've got a friend whose dad is all-in on this. Told her to be ready for him to come pick her up once the shooting starts on Saturday.

    Where does she live?

  • Who is there to have a revolution against? Aren't all the other people still rounded up in closed-down Wal-Marts in the South from Jade Helm15?

  • cablebutt said... (original post)

    I've heard absolutely nothing about this, except from GregA.

  • First I've heard of this conspiracy theory, although I'm willing to bet nearly everyone who takes those supplements being peddled by Alex Jones believe it's on the horizon.

  • So am I supposed to behead Trumpalos on the 4th or not? Democrats and their bad messaging, I tell you what.

  • cablebutt said... (original post)

    Where does she live?

    She lives in Virginia. Her dad lives in Pennsylvania.

  • GeorgeTestaverde said... (original post)

    So am I supposed to behead Trumpalos on the 4th or not? Democrats and their bad messaging, I tell you what.

    Beheadings? You libs sure love your fuckin muslims.

  • Stormbird said... (original post)

    She lives in Virginia. Her dad lives in Pennsylvania.

    Is she hot?

  • Shaknbake said... (original post)

    Beheadings? You libs sure love your fuckin muslims.

    These are French style beheadings. Sorry, Freedom style beheadings.

  • GeorgeTestaverde said... (original post)

    These are French style beheadings. Sorry, Freedom style beheadings.

    The French aren't much better.

  • Fox News is reporting on this now. ANTIFA is a bunch of wimps playing dress up. I've never seen a bigger bunch of pussies in my life. The 4th will come and go, these clowns will put on their costumes and go LARPing in a few cities, probably break some windows, fall down a lot, and get laughed at...a lot. I bet 99% of these idiots were regulars in their high school plays. This is the reason libs will never conquer anything. They can't put together a reasonably intimidating army. Wimps.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03/antifa-apocalypse-anarchist-groups-plan-to-overthrow-trump-regime-starts-saturday.html

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  • cablebutt said... (original post)

    Fox News is reporting on this now. ANTIFA is a bunch of wimps playing dress up. I've never seen a bigger bunch of pussies in my life. The 4th will come and go, these clowns will put on their costumes and go LARPing in a few cities, probably break some windows, fall down a lot, and get laughed at...a lot. I bet 99% of these idiots were regulars in their high school plays. This is the reason libs will never conquer anything. They can't put together a reasonably intimidating army. Wimps.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03/antifa-apocalypse-anarchist-groups-plan-to-overthrow-trump-regime-starts-saturday.html

    So I am supposed to start the revolution tomorrow or not?

  • GeorgeTestaverde said... (original post)

    So I am supposed to start the revolution tomorrow or not?

    If by "revolution" you mean dressing up in a costume and acting like an idiot, it sure looks like tomorrow is your time to shine.

  • I'm shocked that Fox is reporting fake news spread by Infowars and Gateway Pundit.

  • cablebutt said... (original post)

    If by "revolution" you mean dressing up in a costume and acting like an idiot, it sure looks like tomorrow is your time to shine.

    Well I’m going to the KU game so that’s already happening.

  • GregA said... (original post)

    I'm shocked that Fox is reporting fake news spread by Infowars and Gateway Pundit.

    Dude there was a photo of them shutting down a freeway holding upo Nov 4th signs weeks ago in southern Cali I believe. As much as I despise Alex Jones neither him or Fox created this BS.

  • That bunch looks like they should be more concerned with defeating a strong breeze.

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    Dude there was a photo of them shutting down a freeway holding upo Nov 4th signs weeks ago in southern Cali I believe. As much as I despise Alex Jones neither him or Fox created this BS.

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    Dude that photo isn't Antifa. It's a very small group, RCP, that plans a few protests tomorrow. Idiots on the right with their conspiracy theories imagined that something major would happen tomorrow. It's all BS.

  • GregA said... (original post)

    [quote id="109892191"]

    Dude there was a photo of them shutting down a freeway holding upo Nov 4th signs weeks ago in southern Cali I believe. As much as I despise Alex Jones neither him or Fox created this BS.

    [/QUOTE]

    Dude that photo isn't Antifa. It's a very small group, RCP, that plans a few protests tomorrow. Idiots on the right with their conspiracy theories imagined that something major would happen tomorrow. It's all BS.

    How do you know that?