GCU Game Thread

GCU Game Thread

  • This one is barely developed, but once again just getting the link up. I'll update my post when the page is finished. Photo cred my Dad though! Lucky timing, he just went to a Suns' game last month.

    #6 Nevada vs Grand Canyon

    Quick turnaround for #6 Nevada as they head to Phoenix to face Grand Canyon in the Jerry Colangelo Classic at the Talking Stick Arena.

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  • Discussion
  • Here’s hoping The bench gets some minutes.

  • Another SLOW start, got to change that!!

  • Another great start upset This is going to cost the Pack in the rankings and will end up killing them some time this season.

  • GCU is well coached. Cutting off the driving lanes & we still can't shoot. Going to be interesting to see Muss' adjustments to see how we break them down? Not feeling good about it.

    This post was edited by wolfan8431 12 months ago

  • Man, team was tired and GCU had over a week to prep with about 3,000 students + 3,000 more fans. Still pulled over a week to prep. Nevada needs to do whatever we can to hire a real coordinator for the band, cheer, dj, and student section + promotion. Their students were incredible

  • Our very slow starts, hit and miss 3pt shooting and the turnovers have me concerned

  • packgolfer said... (original post)

    Our very slow starts, hit and miss 3pt shooting and the turnovers have me concerned

    Me too, but this has been a long road swing, with some short turnarounds. A little more prep time at home should help.

  • NavyWolfPack said... (original post)

    Man, team was tired and GCU had over a week to prep with about 3,000 students + 3,000 more fans. Still pulled over a week to prep. Nevada needs to do whatever we can to hire a real coordinator for the band, cheer, dj, and student section + promotion. Their students were incredible

    I don't think it has anything to do with coordinators. It's the students. Their students are really into it. Part of that might be they are a smaller school, part of that might be they still have a religious emphasis, who knows, but they are into it.

  • NVBleedsBlue said... (original post)

    I don't think it has anything to do with coordinators. It's the students. Their students are really into it. Part of that might be they are a smaller school, part of that might be they still have a religious emphasis, who knows, but they are into it.

    GCU has staff to coordinate the students, band, dj, cheer and dance teams. And they do an amazing job. Literally had a team of people directing the students what to do and practicing before the game. They've built the culture and keep it going, which brings in more students

  • I think the Martin's shooting woes could be the result of the 6 game road swing. Legs are tired, slight loss of coordination, etc. Couple of games at home & they'll be firing on all cylinders.

    I love Caroline. Favorite all time player. He refused to lose & was the difference in this game.

  • wolfan8431 said... (original post)

    I think the Martin's shooting woes could be the result of the 6 game road swing. Legs are tired, slight loss of coordination, etc. Couple of games at home & they'll be firing on all cylinders.

    I love Caroline. Favorite all time player. He refused to lose & was the difference in this game.

    It wasn't pretty, but it's a win. The team basically had 36 hours after an emotional win to play a team hyped up for their biggest opponent of the season. There are things to be concerned about, but you have to appreciate how much guts this team has. They're never phased. Now if they could only come out with the same fire they did in the Loyola game every night...

  • Muss knows that you are not going to go very far in college basketball unless you can shoot the "3"........ and defend the the "3." The 0-11/2-14 start is Muss hoping they can hit from the outside.........and they don't. This team has started slow about 5 times.........but they are athletic and start taking the ball to the hoop after their weekly "3" point shooting experiments.
    We have 7 or 8 guys that can hit a couple treys..........but only one (Jazz Johnson) that looks comfortable in the role of a Kendall Stephens or Marcus Marshall. I think that is the one glaring short coming of this team. What's going to happen when the opponent gets hot (ala SDSU in the MWC tourney last year) and shoots the lights out.....will the Pack be able to keep up trading 2 for 3's and getting to the line. Even some f the MWC second tier teams shoot well in their own buildings, where this will be an issue. On a positive note..........so far, when the start ugly..........they have shown an ability to buckle down and play defense/block shots/rebound and run the floor to get themselves back in the game. Right now we are gifted enough to throw up 4 or 5 bricks in the first 5 minutes and dig our self out of the hole............but somewhere along the line.........that strategy is going to be the reason for an unexplainable loss.

  • We start our best when we go through trey porter early. I think we’re afraid to throw it down low when opponents go zone. Throw it down there any way. Porter/Thurman/ JB are all capable passers out of double teams. Maybe Caleb gets rhythm 3s that way to get him going. Cody is also a much better shooter catching from the front.

  • Just got to watch this game late tonight. Gotta say, we did a great job pulling out this win. I have thought to myself all season long, I don't think we have played a complete game all season from opening tip to 0:00. Yet we keep winning. Different guys stepping up. I will take this ugly win. The team is tired from this road swing, the practice and routine are way different. I think we get back on track this weekend.
    Great month away from home Pack.

  • For as many signs as there were to be concerned with this result, I will absolutely cut the team some slack with the quick turnaround from ASU and being away from Lawlor for almost a month straight.

    If they still look tired against SDSU on Saturday, then I'll be concerned. But a win is a win is a win is a win.

  • Although there maybe some tired legs, our shot selection was very poor and so was our ball movement early. Two, it looked liked when Porter was in, they were going with some 1-3-1 zone, which we have not seen this year, and takes away our first option of getting the ball in the high post to Caroline, or Thurman. Sticking a terrific spot up shooter in the corner like Jazz makes them change defenses.

  • packwackthemwc said... (original post)

    Although there maybe some tired legs, our shot selection was very poor and so was our ball movement early. Two, it looked liked when Porter was in, they were going with some 1-3-1 zone, which we have not seen this year, and takes away our first option of getting the ball in the high post to Caroline, or Thurman. Sticking a terrific spot up shooter in the corner like Jazz makes them change defenses.

    Bingo. Standing still on offense and poor shot selection hurt us the last couple games. Tired I think. The guys need some rest and some home cooking. I’ve never seen Caleb struggle that badly.

  • If the consensus is that we had tired legs yesterday then, why did Muss not play the bench more? Specifically, Jordan Brown yesterday played very well on both ends during his minutes and no run the second half. Actually nobody got any run the second half other than Porter for a minute.

    I am not sure if the "small ball" strategy was the best yesterday given the quick turn around and the lack of Grand Canyon's rim protectors. Thurman was not his normal self yesterday but he was never taken out. We are most effective when we drive to the hoop and not settle for jumpers.

  • 11Pack said... (original post)

    If the consensus is that we had tired legs yesterday then, why did Muss not play the bench more? Specifically, Jordan Brown yesterday played very well on both ends during his minutes and no run the second half. Actually nobody got any run the second half other than Porter for a minute.

    I am not sure if the "small ball" strategy was the best yesterday given the quick turn around and the lack of Grand Canyon's rim protectors. Thurman was not his normal self yesterday but he was never taken out. We are most effective when we drive to the hoop and not settle for jumpers.

    JB probably has earned himself additional minutes that I am sure Muss will try to integrate going forward. The fact is Muss does shorten his bench on the road, something I laid out in more detail last year, but if you are not in the top six, you're number of minutes go down on the road under Muss. He also shortens the bench against what he perceives as higher level competition. The last four games Jazz was the only nonstarter who played in the second half Thurman was normal self which is that he has been our best defender. He had a team best 78 D rating. For point of reference Queta from USU leads our conference right now with an 85.4 D Rating. Lower numbers are better in this metric. Him getting into foul trouble was part of our issue against ASU in the first half.

    This post was edited by packwackthemwc 11 months ago

  • packwackthemwc said... (original post)

    JB probably has earned himself additional minutes that I am sure Muss will try to integrate going forward. The fact is Muss does shorten his bench on the road, something I laid out in more detail last year, but if you are not in the top six, you're number of minutes go down on the road under Muss. He also shortens the bench against what he perceives as higher level competition. The last four games Jazz was the only nonstarter who played in the second half Thurman was normal self which is that he has been our best defender. He had a team best 78 D rating. For point of reference Queta from USU leads our conference right now with an 85.4 D Rating. Lower numbers are better in this metric. Him getting into foul trouble was part of our issue against ASU in the first half.

    Thanks for this breakdown PackWack. Until he does it, I don’t expect he’ll give JB more minutes even if he deserved it yesterday. As you mentioned it’s Muss nature to shorten bench even if someone’s playing terrible he’ll ride that starter.

  • Jaredcg said... (original post)

    Thanks for this breakdown PackWack. Until he does it, I don’t expect he’ll give JB more minutes even if he deserved it yesterday. As you mentioned it’s Muss nature to shorten bench even if someone’s playing terrible he’ll ride that starter.

    From their Freshman year.

    Drew MPG
    November 26.0
    December 24.7
    January 29.5
    February 30.6
    March 30.2

    Oliver MPG
    November 23.0
    December 26.5
    January 26.8
    February 34.3
    March 33.6

    Hall MPG
    November 6.3
    December 13
    January 12
    February 18.7
    March 24.3

  • Damn the actual numbers :)

    I guess Hall would be the example to follow. (Oliver increases but that’s also due to AJ leaving the team)

  • Jaredcg said... (original post)

    Damn the actual numbers :)

    I guess Hall would be the example to follow. (Oliver increases but that’s also due to AJ leaving the team)

    Certainly West leaving allowed for more minutes for Oliver, but his last game was on Dec 12.

  • A lot less experience on that team. Drew and Oliver played big minutes out of necessity. Put Brown on that team and he plays a lot more minutes.

  • packwackthemwc said... (original post)

    JB probably has earned himself additional minutes that I am sure Muss will try to integrate going forward. The fact is Muss does shorten his bench on the road, something I laid out in more detail last year, but if you are not in the top six, you're number of minutes go down on the road under Muss. He also shortens the bench against what he perceives as higher level competition. The last four games Jazz was the only nonstarter who played in the second half Thurman was normal self which is that he has been our best defender. He had a team best 78 D rating. For point of reference Queta from USU leads our conference right now with an 85.4 D Rating. Lower numbers are better in this metric. Him getting into foul trouble was part of our issue against ASU in the first half.

    Just curious do you know what Porter’s D rating is?