2019 Recruiting Class Discussion

2019 Recruiting Class Discussion

  • Recruiting rankings or actual players?

    Maybe just get to your point without the buildup. We're on the same team.

  • If they weren't interested they wouldn't spend their time or their money to travel to UNC on their own dime. Jeez.....literally the last time I try and bring any good news to this board. Some of you are insufferable and can't see the positive in anything.

    list keeps getting better and better with every DC update. If you could see the list you wouldn't be so down on UNC football.

  • list keeps getting better and better with every DC update. If you could see the list you wouldn't be so down on UNC football.

    I cant see the list, but will take your word for it......and HOPE something good is in the works on the defensive recruiting side. Things just a little hard to stomach right now.

  • list keeps getting better and better with every DC update. If you could see the list you wouldn't be so down on UNC football.

    Can confirm that for the class of 2019 we have top targets for 7 positions. Note 10 positions have needs.....

    For 2020, top targets for 3 positions

    This will rise in the coming days hours.

  • Recruiting rankings or actual players?

    Maybe just get to your point without the buildup. We're on the same team.

    Offense:

    Mitch Trubisky - Ohio
    Ryan Switzer - West Virginia
    Mack Hollins - North Carolina
    Elijah Hood - North Carolian
    TJ Logan - North Carolina

    Defense:
    MJ Stewart - Virginia
    Andre Smith - Florida
    Naz Jones - North Carolina
    Shakeel Rashad - Florida
    Des Lawrence - North Carolina

    My point is we don't rely on in-state guys as much as you would think - we have a national brand and oftentimes players outside of the state realize the benefits of UNC far more than in-state players.

  • Offense:

    Mitch Trubisky - Ohio

    Ryan Switzer - West Virginia

    Mack Hollins - North Carolina

    Elijah Hood - North Carolian

    TJ Logan - North Carolina

    Defense:

    MJ Stewart - Virginia

    Andre Smith - Florida

    Naz Jones - North Carolina

    Shakeel Rashad - Florida

    Des Lawrence - North Carolina

    My point is we don't rely on in-state guys as much as you would think - we have a national brand and oftentimes players outside of the state realize the benefits of UNC far more than in-state players.

    Fair point. I just cant wrap my head around us falling behind NCSU for in-state talent. There honestly should be no contest - and historically there hasn't been. When it flips (like it has now and like it did at the end of Bunting), changes seem to be made.

  • Fair point. I just cant wrap my head around us falling behind NCSU for in-state talent. There honestly should be no contest - and historically there hasn't been. When it flips (like it has now and like it did at the end of Bunting), changes seem to be made.

    Their whole d-line was drafted last year. Recruits are kids. They don't know we went to the ACC championship 3 years ago. They remember wow, NC State beat UNC, UNC only won 3 games, and then NC State's d-line all went pro! That is going to be me. They don't even care that the DL coach has left for bigger and better! Kids are fickle.

  • Not only that - they are leading for JR Walker, Zonovan Knight, Shy Battle, and Khalid Martin. That is 9 of the top 25 in-state. Include McKay and Freshwater and that is 11 of the top 30!

    Furthermore, they got Keyon Lesane who we had ranked above Welton Spottsville and Jalen Frazier who was our #1 nickleback prospect.

    Also hearing that Jaden McKenzie is shying away from us. We are also not doing great for Greene and Brown. We are probably going to miss out on our top TEs and have to offer Jeremy Lewis. We likely will have to settle for a 4th DB (miss on Tony Davis and Shy Battle). OT not sure who we are going to get a quality guy or two.

    The sky is literally falling as we speak!

    In your opinion, why are we having so much trouble in state? Up until this year we seemed to be doing OK in state. This year it looks pretty bleak if what you post above is true. I seem to remember seeing an article on another site that said Carolina would have to do well out of state this year to have a good class because it was looking really bad for in state players choosing Carolina.

    What exactly is State doing to get these kids? They had a good year last year but not great. They did have many players drafted this year and this could certainly help persuade kids to go there. This is the sort of thing that really makes me think that our standards for admission are higher and/or other schools are pushing the "you will have to work much harder academically at Carolina" angle.

  • In your opinion, why are we having so much trouble in state? Up until this year we seemed to be doing OK in state. This year it looks pretty bleak if what you post above is true. I seem to remember seeing an article on another site that said Carolina would have to do well out of state this year to have a good class because it was looking really bad for in state players choosing Carolina.

    What exactly is State doing to get these kids? They had a good year last year but not great. They did have many players drafted this year and this could certainly help persuade kids to go there. This is the sort of thing that really makes me think that our standards for admission are higher and/or other schools are pushing the "you will have to work much harder academically at Carolina" angle.

    Well I said that a tongue and cheek.

    And its our record last year versus State's. Simple as that.

  • You gotta relax fellas.. Sish didn’t we get Payton and he jumped ship? Come on homerun projections for next year don’t win ball games this year.

    No Hines, or the other RB
    Replacing a NFL Caliber D line
    Just wait for the debacle, are they going to beat Clemson in Death Valley nah
    Beat FSU with their QB healthy with Aikers nah
    8 win cap. Kids will jump ship.

  • You gotta relax fellas.. Sish didn’t we get Payton and he jumped ship? Come on homerun projections for next year don’t win ball games this year.

    No Hines, or the other RB

    Replacing a NFL Caliber D line

    Just wait for the debacle, are they going to beat Clemson in Death Valley nah

    Beat FSU with their QB healthy with Aikers nah

    8 win cap. Kids will jump ship.

    9/1 - JMU - Win
    9/8 - Georgia State - Win
    9/15 - West Virginia - Loss
    9/22 - @ Marshall - Win
    9/29 - UVA - WIn
    10/6 - Boston College - Win
    10/20 - @ Clemson - Loss
    10/27 - @ Syracuse - Loss
    11/3 - Florida State - Loss
    11/8 - Wake Forest - Win
    11/17 - @ Lville - Loss
    11/24 - @ UNC - Loss

    I see 6-6 campaign. If they win more than 6 games, we will be in serious trouble recruiting wise.

  • What exactly is State doing to get these kids? They had a good year last year but not great. They did have many players drafted this year and this could certainly help persuade kids to go there. This is the sort of thing that really makes me think that our standards for admission are higher and/or other schools are pushing the "you will have to work much harder academically at Carolina" angle.

    3 of State's d linemen last year were 3-star recruits; one was a 4-star. Interestingly, the 4-star (Street) was drafted lowest of the four.

    They all had the benefit of playing three years for Ryan Nielsen, who left State for the Saints. Like Brewer for us, if the pros poach your coach, he is a very good coach. Who knows if their new D line coach will be as successful?

    My point is, it's not like we were losing 4- and 5-star talent to them. They are getting what we are: mostly 3-star recruits. They either caught lightning in a bottle, or "coached them up". If it's the latter, of course, that raises a different question about our position coaching.

  • 3 of State's d linemen last year were 3-star recruits; one was a 4-star. Interestingly, the 4-star (Street) was drafted lowest of the four.

    They all had the benefit of playing three years for Ryan Nielsen, who left State for the Saints. Like Brewer for us, if the pros poach your coach, he is a very good coach. Who knows if their new D line coach will be as successful?

    My point is, it's not like we were losing 4- and 5-star talent to them. They are getting what we are: mostly 3-star recruits. They either caught lightning in a bottle, or "coached them up". If it's the latter, of course, that raises a different question about our position coaching.


    K Street was top 50 nationally. Very high 4*

    Justin Jones was a 4* also , with offers from Miss St, Ole Miss, Mia, Louisville, Mich State, etc https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2014/justin-jones-13868

    They got lightning in a bottle with Bradley Chubb for sure. His star projection was partly low cuz he was undersized. He was similar to our Tyrone Hopper, a lanky, athletic, raw LB/DE hybrid, 220 pounds. But his body clearly wasn't done growing and Chubb had massive heart, work ethic etc to pack on almost 50 pounds of muscle. Attribute hard work and good genes to be able to add 50 pounds without losing his quickness.

    BJ Hill was a tad undersized low 260's. His Sr weight was 315.... So he was able to add 55 pounds. That's a ton of weight. Nazair add about 45 without losing too much agility (and also went on to be a 3rd round draft pick).

    Obviously every coach and recruiting guru would've had Hill higher if they knew their bodies were going to hold up so well with all the gain in mass (Nazair too)

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  • 9/1 - JMU - Win

    9/8 - Georgia State - Win

    9/15 - West Virginia - Loss

    9/22 - @ Marshall - Win

    9/29 - UVA - WIn

    10/6 - Boston College - Win

    10/20 - @ Clemson - Loss

    10/27 - @ Syracuse - Loss

    11/3 - Florida State - Loss

    11/8 - Wake Forest - Win

    11/17 - @ Lville - Loss

    11/24 - @ UNC - Loss

    I see 6-6 campaign. If they win more than 6 games, we will be in serious trouble recruiting wise.

    Agreed that’s why I say 8 cap on wins for them. I can even see the WVU game being a beating without them being able to put pressure on Grier.

    We will be fine as an early post reads we have never been overwhelming good in state recruiting, we are on the back of end of the sanction era last year record hurt this cycle. We get our far share of Ga, Va, and Fla kids right now we just need that one Alpha to be a staple for this class to build around it’s all about relationships. I can see that from the kids visit to moo u. They seem to have formed a bond BUT it doesn’t always work out that example ( Dalton and Shy Tuttle)

  • Well I said that a tongue and cheek.

    And its our record last year versus State's. Simple as that.

    Glad to hear it was tongue in cheek. I did read an article about how Carolina was not looking strong for many in-state recruits and would likely need to have a strong year out of state to have a good recruiting class. I thought that having a good year was usually beneficial two years down the road as relationships had usually already been formed with seniors in the next class. From that standpoint I would think Carolina would still be in better shape with this year's seniors as Doeren was on the hot seat a year ago. Our poor showing last year would then have more impact on next year's seniors.

    Thanks for the information you bring to the board.

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  • That Adidas money must be flowing for the football team too over at NC$T.

  • In your opinion, why are we having so much trouble in state? Up until this year we seemed to be doing OK in state. This year it looks pretty bleak if what you post above is true. I seem to remember seeing an article on another site that said Carolina would have to do well out of state this year to have a good class because it was looking really bad for in state players choosing Carolina.

    What exactly is State doing to get these kids? They had a good year last year but not great. They did have many players drafted this year and this could certainly help persuade kids to go there. This is the sort of thing that really makes me think that our standards for admission are higher and/or other schools are pushing the "you will have to work much harder academically at Carolina" angle.

    I will give the perspective from our side. First and foremost Des Kitchings is one of the best recruiters in the nation. His ability to relate to the kids and coaches is second to none. Second thing is that Doeren has made it his top priority to fix and repair the relationships that the former coaches had broken. Third, winning cures all. We were 20 points away from being 11-1. Kids see how competitive we are with Clemson and besting FSU and Louisville. The Wake game is still debatable as I think emezie was in. But the combination of having staff continuity and having a staff who delivers on what is promised has been huge.

    My opinion this year for our team is very optimistic. Yes we lost our front 4 , but the guys behind them are experienced and talented. Our back 7 took a beating last year due to lack of experience and talent. Our back 7 this year will be a strength which will allow our front 4 to gain more reps and experience. By midseason our Defense will be fine.

    Where we will win games will be with our offense. Finley is arguably the top QB prospect in the draft and Harmon will be a top 2 round pick as well. We could potentially have 2 1000 yard receivers with Meyers and Harmon. I see 7 as our floor and 9 as our peak. Our offense will win us a lot of games.

    So I'm going 8 and 4 with another bowl win.

  • I highly doubt NC State is going 8-4. That team last year barely went 8-4 and was a lot better than this team is going to be. You guys lost your whole D line, and your good running backs. Yes, I know you have Ricky Person but no one knows how good a freshmen will be. I would go 7-5. You are right though, winning does help, that's why our back to back 11-1 and 8-4 regular seasons helped us.

  • I highly doubt NC State is going 8-4. That team last year barely went 8-4 and was a lot better than this team is going to be. You guys lost your whole D line, and your good running backs. Yes, I know you have Ricky Person but no one knows how good a freshmen will be. I would go 7-5. You are right though, winning does help, that's why our back to back 11-1 and 8-4 regular seasons helped us.

    We didn't barely go 8-4. We should have won more. The USC game was awful. In no way should you ever double the offensive production of the opposing team and lose. Wake was a heart breaker. No one knows what would have happened in the last 3 minutes but that one stung. ND was just a beat down. We led Clemson in the 4th quarter and just couldn't finish. Our first 6 games are very very winnable. WVU is at home and will be another turning point game for us. We should be at worse 5-1 Heading to Death Valley. We likely lose there but stranger things have happened. Syracuse is a total trap either way. Either we will be high off a win at Clemson or beat up from a tough loss. Either way I see a loss. FSU and Wake at home are very winnable. Taggert might be the worst X and O head coach I've ever seen. See his time at Oregon. Then road games at Louisville who we beat last year by 14 at home with Lamar. No Lamar and we can win. And UNC is a toss up on the road. 8 very winnable games and 3 tough road games losses and 1 toss up. So high end 9 low end 7 if we trip up and lose one of the winnable games. We aren t worried about our Dline. Bryant Frazier Roseboro and Smith Williams are more than capable of holding their own. The depth is the concern there for me. We will have to have our JuCo and freshmen step up to spell those guys. But I'm just telling you now, our offense will be insanely good. They will let Finley loose this year. No reason not to. Our receivers are just that good. Reggie and Ricky will be a good 1 2 at RB. So I see our Defense takes a slight step back from last year but our offense takes a huge leap forward. That's why they play them though.

    Good luck this year and hopefully the injury bug stays away this year. We want no excuses for another beat down in Kenan

  • Hopefully this big boom with all these big time recruits committing over the freak show will build some momentum and we can hold onto them through the season.

  • Hopefully this big boom with all these big time recruits committing over the freak show will build some momentum and we can hold onto them through the season.

    You guys are poised to bounce back. The Cal game will be a good measure

  • Lots of momentum for us with Clark right now. This is one crazy recruiting cycle

  • State is getting crystal balls for Harris and Clark today. Their emphasis is clearly on the defensive side of the ball where ours is on the offense. Only problem is their offense is a lot better than our defense lol. We are really struggling and they are picking up a lot of steam. It seems like Chubb and their entire DL getting drafted has had a huge impact on their recruiting as it should. I know our coaches are working as hard as theirs but the fact remains that they are really started to take control.

  • State is getting crystal balls for Harris and Clark today. Their emphasis is clearly on the defensive side of the ball where ours is on the offense. Only problem is their offense is a lot better than our defense lol. We are really struggling and they are picking up a lot of steam. It seems like Chubb and their entire DL getting drafted has had a huge impact on their recruiting as it should. I know our coaches are working as hard as theirs but the fact remains that they are really started to take control.

    Our coaches are working harder than most any other coaches.