UNC should RUN to move to the SEC

UNC should RUN to move to the SEC

  • At $50MM buyout that’s just 3 Larry’s.

    For the university it would be a boon to recognition and social branding, which absolutely does impact funding. Academics would find better support, not less. We can hide behind arrogance but several SEC schools have sound academic reputations and even more are growing them rapidly. Look at what the last 20 years has meant to places like UGa, UF and even USuCk. Sure there will always be “others,” but the ACC has ours too. Consider too the difference between your social networks. I’d rather play golf with the CEO who’s a Gator than the tassle loafered a-hole from accounting or legal who went to Wake and is constantly jealous of any Tar Heel.

    For sports in general, it would be GREAT for UNC. Football would be forced to “grow up” and I think we would. Sports like Basketball and Baseball would immediately benefit and there would be others where we would walk in as conference leaders.

    $14MM to flush a sideline or $50MM to squash every ACC bug like a titan in the next decade, let’s do both.

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  • Wrong board, you want the urinator’s board.banghead

  • Or, we'd join Vanderbilt as the doormat of the SEC. USuCk thought they'd become a powerhouse after joining the SEC, but they haven't really accomplished that much except for a few years with Spurrier, which was more to do with Spurrier than being in the SEC. And as unlikely as it is that we'll ever win the ACC in our life times, it would pretty much be impossible for us to ever win the SEC.

  • That ship has sailed (UNC leaving for the SEC). UNC admins for whatever reason think we are a better academic school than most in the SEC. Clemson and FSU should have left when Maryland left. Now I think it's to late for them and to expensive.

    UNC will be in the ACC as long as there is an ACC.

    Besides leaving really does us no good. We are a top contender nationally and leader of the ACC in Basketball and Baseball and the doormat in Football. We would be the same in the SEC. A move, while in theory might seem good, in reality would do us no good at all.

  • OldD7 said... (original post)

    That ship has sailed (UNC leaving for the SEC). UNC admins for whatever reason think we are a better academic school than most in the SEC. Clemson and FSU should have left when Maryland left. Now I think it's to late for them and to expensive.

    UNC will be in the ACC as long as there is an ACC.

    Besides leaving really does us no good. We are a top contender nationally and leader of the ACC in Basketball and Baseball and the doormat in Football. We would be the same in the SEC. A move, while in theory might seem good, in reality would do us no good at all.

    While Carolina would certainly increase the overall prowess of SEC basketball, moving to the SEC would be good for football because every other year we'd have Florida, SoCar, Tennessee, and Georgia coming to Kenan with the occasional crossover game with Auburn, Alabama, LSU, Arky, aTm. We'd essentially be running the FCS model of trading a loss for revenue. We don't really have any prowess in the Coastal other than possibly Miami/VT and they aren't even ACC founding members. It took adding FSU in the 90s to put the ACC on the map. Kenan Stadium is a wonderful place to watch a game on cool Fall Saturday, but outside of the stadium itself, parking is a pain and tailgating is all over the place. I've seen people tailgating in places I didn't think you could.

    Can anyone confirm that the Heelraiser still comes out to every game? I haven't been in a few years (I was studying to get my MBA and working full-time, so CFB was a sit at home and watch while I work on projects kind of deal).

  • OldD7 said... (original post)

    That ship has sailed (UNC leaving for the SEC). UNC admins for whatever reason think we are a better academic school than most in the SEC. Clemson and FSU should have left when Maryland left. Now I think it's to late for them and to expensive.

    UNC will be in the ACC as long as there is an ACC.

    Besides leaving really does us no good. We are a top contender nationally and leader of the ACC in Basketball and Baseball and the doormat in Football. We would be the same in the SEC. A move, while in theory might seem good, in reality would do us no good at all.

    I disagree about the “no good at all” part.

    In all sports, any at all, I would rather watch us play UF, UGa, TN, USuCk, AUB, etc etc

    Than

    Wake, UL, VaT, BC, SYR, GaT etc

    The ACC has UNC, FSU and Clemson as flagship sports brands...that’s it. Dook and others may have one or two sports but the rest is hot garbage.

    We are living in the stone age pining for a nostalgic past of an ACC basketball culture that lasted maybe 30 years from the late 60’s until the NCAA tourney expanded. Coaches retired or left the league, cable tv and te web made non-ACC hoops watchable and the rest of the world moved on.

    Somewhere back in Greensboro, a bunch of arrogant pricks kept (and keep) clinging to the notion that the ACC is some historic holy-grail of all things Southern...and that UNC must stay true.

    Bull shit on that.

    The SEC is a business and it’s one that has passed the ACC in every measurable fashion of importance as a league. We are competitive as a brand for UNC but that’s a UNC thing, not ACC.

    We would have better attendance for games against the slate just mentioned, both from UNC fans who want to see more recognizable, interesting teams, and from other alumni from those much more recognizable schools.

    More fans equals more money whether it’s on tv or in person. More money equals better facilities and staffs. Better facilities and staffs equals more wins which begets stronger alumni support and ultimately stronger gifting and interest in admissions. Other schools have already proven that.

    We’re pissing away a huge opportunity for what? To play in Syracuse, Boston and Louisville? Why in the f are we doing this????

  • BAbluecups said... (original post)

    I disagree about the “no good at all” part.

    In all sports, any at all, I would rather watch us play UF, UGa, TN, USuCk, AUB, etc etc

    Than

    Wake, UL, VaT, BC, SYR, GaT etc

    The ACC has UNC, FSU and Clemson as flagship sports brands...that’s it. Dook and others may have one or two sports but the rest is hot garbage.

    We are living in the stone age pining for a nostalgic past of an ACC basketball culture that lasted maybe 30 years from the late 60’s until the NCAA tourney expanded. Coaches retired or left the league, cable tv and te web made non-ACC hoops watchable and the rest of the world moved on.

    Somewhere back in Greensboro, a bunch of arrogant pricks kept (and keep) clinging to the notion that the ACC is some historic holy-grail of all things Southern...and that UNC must stay true.

    Bull shit on that.

    The SEC is a business and it’s one that has passed the ACC in every measurable fashion of importance as a league. We are competitive as a brand for UNC but that’s a UNC thing, not ACC.

    We would have better attendance for games against the slate just mentioned, both from UNC fans who want to see more recognizable, interesting teams, and from other alumni from those much more recognizable schools.

    More fans equals more money whether it’s on tv or in person. More money equals better facilities and staffs. Better facilities and staffs equals more wins which begets stronger alumni support and ultimately stronger gifting and interest in admissions. Other schools have already proven that.

    We’re pissing away a huge opportunity for what? To play in Syracuse, Boston and Louisville? Why in the f are we doing this????

    I agreed with you up until you stated it would lead to wins. Vanderbilt was average under Franklin a few seasons, but he left and now they're in the toilet again. Kentucky is finally worth something and isn't a guaranteed loss under Stoops. But that took getting someone in there who knows how to win and they've been in the SEC for decades. Tennessee hasn't been anything since they fired Fulmer, but they're still a recognizable name.

    You and I pretty much posted similar posts. We built a basketball conference, not a football one. It's nice we have FSU and Clemson (and FSU isn't even pulling its weight) and Miami getting a little better, but half of those are clinging to history. But hey, as long as Clemson represents the ACC in the CFP every year, the conference will continue to get recognizable, I guess.

  • MrTarHeel29732 said... (original post)

    I agreed with you up until you stated it would lead to wins. Vanderbilt was average under Franklin a few seasons, but he left and now they're in the toilet again. Kentucky is finally worth something and isn't a guaranteed loss under Stoops. But that took getting someone in there who knows how to win and they've been in the SEC for decades. Tennessee hasn't been anything since they fired Fulmer, but they're still a recognizable name.

    You and I pretty much posted similar posts. We built a basketball conference, not a football one. It's nice we have FSU and Clemson (and FSU isn't even pulling its weight) and Miami getting a little better, but half of those are clinging to history. But hey, as long as Clemson represents the ACC in the CFP every year, the conference will continue to get recognizable, I guess.

    UT is a better example of your argument for us not winning, however the Vols pack 100k every game and continue to have the resources to push for better coaches.

    What sets UNC apart from Vandy, KY and UT as well as USuCk is that we truly are a national school brand in many sports AND a top flight academic institution. NC is also a more populous state with better weather and proven advantages in our economy over TN, KY, SC and others. In short, we have much more “going for us” than any of the examples named.

    Our biggest challenge for winning in football would be the same one that UF or UGa faces every year, and that’s “who has the better staff for games and recruiting.” Remember it was less than 10 years ago that UGa was mediocre, but add Gurley and a better staff and here they are. UF went from seasonal national champions to the SEC cellar yet here they are. UT will get theirs too because they try.

    What we would gain by doing this...and I’m focusing just on FB here...is truly leveraging all of our brand advantages and geographic base to support the program. Sure we might still suck if the coaches were wrong, but the tv money and reputation would make attracting better talent on the field and sidelines MUCH easier.

    In the meantime would also get bball games against UF, KY and a slew of others that I would much rather see in person or on TV at an airport bar.

    It just makes too much sense to wonder why in the heck we don’t do it!

  • I’ll give you a non-business but lifetime worthy reason to do this too.

    As soon as UNC leaves, whatever is left of the ACC might see streaky runs for conference champs by teams that never could with UNC in it.

    I would love to have a lifetime piss factor for any future ACC titles for k-rat or even ncsu...

    “Hey oh yeah...you mean those league champ titles after UNC left? Yeah I forgot who was still in there...like a high school league, right? I DO remember that when UNC was still in the ACC (instert achievement here) wasn’t happening.”

  • Softball wouldn't win a conference game

  • mpaer said... (original post)

    Softball wouldn't win a conference game

    Ha! True. At least until some of the girls who wanted to start at UF decided they’d rather come to UNC and still play against top 20 schools for a season instead of just once when FSU comes to town.

  • BAbluecups said... (original post)

    Ha! True. At least until some of the girls who wanted to start at UF decided they’d rather come to UNC and still play against top 20 schools for a season instead of just once when FSU comes to town.

    In all honesty the SEC is very good at traditional sports we have seemingly quit on-track and field and swimming for example. Perhaps it would spur us on to support those sports again

  • The UNC/SEC talks were hot-heavy a few years back. IIRC, the deal breaker was...SEC wanted UNC, but UNC wouldn't leave w/o Duke b/c of the BBall "rivalry". SEC offered to bring along UVA, as that is the longest rivalry in the South, and a flagship Univ. SEC wanted no part of Duke...UNC walked.

    in stepped B1G about the same time...offereing to take UNC/Dook and UVa I believe. Maryland jumped ship, they were in MAJOR debt due to their AD (who was that again). B1G thought if they paid UM's debt, enticing them away from ACC, the chips would begin to fall, swaying UNC to B1G. Obviously, no deals ever really matured, except of course UM. UNC doesn't belong in B1G anyways.

    That's my recollection of all that....

    Alas, football around here still stinks.

    If i was guaranteed the "football culture" of SEC would rub off on some of the CH'ians...i'd def be all-in to the SEC. Can't tell you how many games I've been to, where i stand up and cheer for a good, solid, football play, not a touchdown, just an all-around good football play...and there i am, standing,...screaming....and cheering...all by my damn-self... alas....

    This post was edited by KANNON 2 years ago

  • KANNON said... (original post)

    The UNC/SEC talks were hot-heavy a few years back. IIRC, the deal breaker was...SEC wanted UNC, but UNC wouldn't leave w/o Duke b/c of the BBall "rivalry". SEC offered to bring along UVA, as that is the longest rivalry in the South, and a flagship Univ. SEC wanted no part of Duke...UNC walked.

    in stepped B1G about the same time...offereing to take UNC/Dook and UVa I believe. Maryland jumped ship, they were in MAJOR debt due to their AD (who was that again). B1G thought if they paid UM's debt, enticing them away from ACC, the chips would begin to fall, swaying UNC to B1G. Obviously, no deals ever really matured, except of course UM. UNC doesn't belong in B1G anyways.

    That's my recollection of all that....

    Alas, football around here still stinks.

    If i was guaranteed the "football culture" of SEC would rub off on some of the CH'ians...i'd def be all-in to the SEC. Can't tell you how many games I've been to, where i stand up and cheer for a good, solid, football play, not a touchdown, just an all-around good football play...and there i am, standing,...screaming....and cheering...all by my damn-self... alas....

    You’re correct from what I recall too.

    I’m just offering that now after a few years have passed and more evidence has built that UNC needs to move forward instead of pretentding it’s 1980.

  • KANNON said... (original post)

    The UNC/SEC talks were hot-heavy a few years back. IIRC, the deal breaker was...SEC wanted UNC, but UNC wouldn't leave w/o Duke b/c of the BBall "rivalry". SEC offered to bring along UVA, as that is the longest rivalry in the South, and a flagship Univ. SEC wanted no part of Duke...UNC walked.

    in stepped B1G about the same time...offereing to take UNC/Dook and UVa I believe. Maryland jumped ship, they were in MAJOR debt due to their AD (who was that again). B1G thought if they paid UM's debt, enticing them away from ACC, the chips would begin to fall, swaying UNC to B1G. Obviously, no deals ever really matured, except of course UM. UNC doesn't belong in B1G anyways.

    That's my recollection of all that....

    Alas, football around here still stinks.

    If i was guaranteed the "football culture" of SEC would rub off on some of the CH'ians...i'd def be all-in to the SEC. Can't tell you how many games I've been to, where i stand up and cheer for a good, solid, football play, not a touchdown, just an all-around good football play...and there i am, standing,...screaming....and cheering...all by my damn-self... alas....

    And indeed, our oldest rival is UVA, not dook. I would have taken that move. We could still have played dook as an OOC game.

  • KANNON said... (original post)

    The UNC/SEC talks were hot-heavy a few years back. IIRC, the deal breaker was...SEC wanted UNC, but UNC wouldn't leave w/o Duke b/c of the BBall "rivalry". SEC offered to bring along UVA, as that is the longest rivalry in the South, and a flagship Univ. SEC wanted no part of Duke...UNC walked.

    Why the quotation marks around the word, "rivalry"?

  • SmurfsRfun said... (original post)

    Why the quotation marks around the word, "rivalry"?

    Likely because he’s pointing out that it’s complete bs as a reason to pin institutional decions. Who gives a crap about dook? I don’t. Would UNC be better off if we had fostered and retained the “rivalry” with UVa, Wake or USuCk from the early 20’s through te 60’s?

    I hate that we let other schools and the imapct on them define us or shape what we do.

    Screw that ridiculous logic.

  • SmurfsRfun said... (original post)

    Why the quotation marks around the word, "rivalry"?

    Bc this is the Tar Pitt and anything b-ball related is “stupid”

    What would going to the SEC accomplish? MD has lost its entire program indentity but hey they got that money.

    Just bc the team is playing UGA and not GT doesn’t mean people in Adminstration will care more about football. Time to accept your fav football program belongs to a basketball school bc Carolina is never going to the SEC or B10

    This post was edited by keator0728 2 years ago

  • As to “rivalry” I’d welcone the abyss of mediocrity that would be left for dook, ncsu, wake and others who would abruptly lose any reciprocal interest from the 100’s of thousands of UNC alums and fans in NC. They’d become like an afterthought with no one left to hate.

    Who would dook gun for??? louiville? Would ncsu suddenly focus on wake or maybe ecu?

    Talk about justice...sign me up. We’ve spent 100 years being everyone’s game of the year. Screw every one of them. We need to move on.

  • BAbluecups said... (original post)

    At $50MM buyout that’s just 3 Larry’s.

    For the university it would be a boon to recognition and social branding, which absolutely does impact funding. Academics would find better support, not less. We can hide behind arrogance but several SEC schools have sound academic reputations and even more are growing them rapidly. Look at what the last 20 years has meant to places like UGa, UF and even USuCk. Sure there will always be “others,” but the ACC has ours too. Consider too the difference between your social networks. I’d rather play golf with the CEO who’s a Gator than the tassle loafered a-hole from accounting or legal who went to Wake and is constantly jealous of any Tar Heel.

    For sports in general, it would be GREAT for UNC. Football would be forced to “grow up” and I think we would. Sports like Basketball and Baseball would immediately benefit and there would be others where we would walk in as conference leaders.

    $14MM to flush a sideline or $50MM to squash every ACC bug like a titan in the next decade, let’s do both.

    I think this might be one of those Russian Bot attacks

  • keator0728 said... (original post)

    Bc this is the Tar Pitt and anything b-ball related is “stupid”

    What would going to the SEC accomplish? MD has lost its entire program indentity but hey they got that money.

    Just bc the team is playing UGA and not GT doesn’t mean people in Adminstration will care more about football. Time to accept your fav football program belongs to a basketball school bc Carolina is never going to the SEC or B10

    Your entire reply sounds like it’s from fear.

    I’d rather have Roy coaching against UF or KY ina conference tourney where the 50,000 undergrads at UF and the national fanbase for UK would learn to fear us.

    Your post implies that somehow our tradition as UNC is defined by what...dook? Go away with that pathetic loser logic.

    Quite the opposite of fans on this board “not caring about bball” or putting “our sport” above all else...go look in the mirror guy, there’s your sport focused fanatatic who is afraid that UNC will somehow be less if we truly push our university beyond your individual passion. I’ve seen more of that weak garbage from football haters. I honestly have bever seen a single instance of bball haters from here.

    As to the admin, you are doing two things there and both are wrong. One, you assume that admin doesn’t care about football. I think they do they just are limited as to what UNC can do as a legacy ACC program that leaves us with craptastic schedule opponenets. Two, you’re assuming and stating that UNC is a bball school. Screw that, we’re an ass kicking team in many sports and it’s high time we stop carrying a league of remoras.

    Finally, yes I do think that admin will care as UNC becomes a part of tye conversation for the dramatically increased fan-scape surrounding larger schools with better conferences. We all see these alumni bases in work and life. Right now we are non-participants because we are tethered like an ox to a wagon that hauls insignificant, smaller alumni bases. We need to be who we are and stop trying to please the little ones from our childhood.

    This post was edited by BAbluecups 2 years ago

  • BAbluecups said... (original post)

    As to “rivalry” I’d welcone the abyss of mediocrity that would be left for dook, ncsu, wake and others who would abruptly lose any reciprocal interest from the 100’s of thousands of UNC alums and fans in NC. They’d become like an afterthought with no one left to hate.

    Who would dook gun for??? louiville? Would ncsu suddenly focus on wake or maybe ecu?

    Talk about justice...sign me up. We’ve spent 100 years being everyone’s game of the year. Screw every one of them. We need to move on.

    point taken in this post and your other response. as for being people's #1 target, I see it as a compliment and it helps maintain our national presence. I'd hope if we ever did move conferences, we'd become other teams' game of the year.

    I don't really characterize myself as solely a "football guy" or "bball guy." I do think the Dook rivalry is special and hope it continues after Roy and K are gone. not advocating hinging a conference move decision on that alone, either. just surprised to see it trashed on this board.

    This post was edited by SmurfsRfun 2 years ago

  • keator0728 said... (original post)

    Bc this is the Tar Pitt and anything b-ball related is “stupid”

    I am indeed relatively new here, apologies for ignorance.

    This post was edited by SmurfsRfun 2 years ago

  • SmurfsRfun said... (original post)

    I am indeed relatively new here, apologies for ignorance.

    I think he was attempting "humor"....

  • If we were still in the round-robin yrs i'd prefer ACC hoops stay that way. But since we're no longer in that, then I gotta admit the scheduling factor of being in SEC would be awesome.