Is Lindsey Graham being blackmailed?

Is Lindsey Graham being blackmailed?

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  • Senator Graham's immediate, complete, and out-of-character about-face on President Trump is very surprising. Gone is the pretextual and hat-tipping to bipartisanship. Gone is any sort of fealty to traditional Republican values. And an added twist to this reversal is that he is using the same words and phrases to describe President Trump's critics as he previously used to describe Candidate Trump. Senator Graham admitted during the campaign that his e-mail (and who knows what else) was hacked. All this is making some national commentators, and me, wonder if he is being blackmailed.

    It can't be about him being gay. Everyone in South Carolina already knows that, . . ., and they don't care. As long as Senator Graham knows his place, stays in the closet, and doesn't start supporting equal rights, the good citizens of South Carolina don't care with whom he shares his bed. After all, he does live in Charleston. It's not like he is trying to pass for straight in some God-fearing, respectable community. Pretty much everyone in South Carolina either is or has been or has some close relative who is or has been in some sort of intimate relationship that would not be suitable for polite society.

    So what is it that Senator Graham fears would not only end his political career, but might also get him excluded from Charleston Society? Surely someone on this board knows?

    If it is worse than putting mustard in BBQ, I probably don't want to know.

  • Discussion
  • I was asking someone this exact question this morning - the minute he tweeted something about how great trump is at golf and hit a hole in one or whatever it was, then it was clear something was up. maybe it was a plea for help. at least with mitch mcconnell I know that he got bribed with his wife's appointment to do trump's bidding, I don't know what graham got out of it or what they're holding over him

  • He's gay??? Well that settles it: I will never vote for Lindsay again. biggrin

  • http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/politics/graham-trump-relationship/index.html

    At the same time, Trump repeatedly endorsed the Graham-Cassidy health care effort last fall. The bill failed to go anywhere in the Senate, but Graham is still hopeful Congress will address it this year.
    Now Trump and Graham are working closely together on an immigration reform proposal, an issue the senator has been passionate about for over a decade. "I've never been more optimistic," Graham told the President last week before cameras at a meeting on immigration.
    Why the change in relations? Graham has said he feels a sense of obligation to work with the President. To get a seat at the table, he's learned to play to the President's deal-making sensibilities.

  • douglas said... (original post)

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/politics/graham-trump-relationship/index.html

    At the same time, Trump repeatedly endorsed the Graham-Cassidy health care effort last fall. The bill failed to go anywhere in the Senate, but Graham is still hopeful Congress will address it this year.

    Now Trump and Graham are working closely together on an immigration reform proposal, an issue the senator has been passionate about for over a decade. "I've never been more optimistic," Graham told the President last week before cameras at a meeting on immigration.

    Why the change in relations? Graham has said he feels a sense of obligation to work with the President. To get a seat at the table, he's learned to play to the President's deal-making sensibilities.

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    Last paragraph of the linked article, "John Weaver, a former top aide to McCain, [Tweeted] shortly after the immigration meeting. 'I don't believe Lindsey is being political or currying favor, just is very wrong.'" Weaver is right, something is "very wrong."

  • douglas said... (original post)

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/politics/graham-trump-relationship/index.html

    At the same time, Trump repeatedly endorsed the Graham-Cassidy health care effort last fall. The bill failed to go anywhere in the Senate, but Graham is still hopeful Congress will address it this year.

    Now Trump and Graham are working closely together on an immigration reform proposal, an issue the senator has been passionate about for over a decade. "I've never been more optimistic," Graham told the President last week before cameras at a meeting on immigration.

    Why the change in relations? Graham has said he feels a sense of obligation to work with the President. To get a seat at the table, he's learned to play to the President's deal-making sensibilities.


    This really has nothing to do with deal making

    Graham is screaming for a Hillary investigation on twitter today

  • douglas said... (original post)

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/politics/graham-trump-relationship/index.html

    At the same time, Trump repeatedly endorsed the Graham-Cassidy health care effort last fall. The bill failed to go anywhere in the Senate, but Graham is still hopeful Congress will address it this year.

    Now Trump and Graham are working closely together on an immigration reform proposal, an issue the senator has been passionate about for over a decade. "I've never been more optimistic," Graham told the President last week before cameras at a meeting on immigration.

    Why the change in relations? Graham has said he feels a sense of obligation to work with the President. To get a seat at the table, he's learned to play to the President's deal-making sensibilities.

    Play to his deal making sensibilities or slurp the lies and about face it on Trump being crazy? Please come discuss the nothingburger on the fusiongps thread, or have the talking points not made it out to bfe NC.

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  • The senator has no character.

    He's been a loathsome specimen since arriving on the scene.

    This latest twist should be no surprise.

    GOP = soulless and ball-less.

  • Some say that a lot of GOP members of Congress may have benefited from Russian hacking help, especially in FL races. Maybe Graham did too.

  • IMO, I think someone has some tapes, photos on Graham or he is paying someone to keep quiet who has demands. Maybe it's me but when Roof shot all those people in the church in Charleston, his body language, speech patterns, appearance of sincerity were all different then when he is in his usual "political mode". He was like a completely different person, I almost found him likable but men with perfect hair always make me go hummmmmmmmmm.

  • DanP2311 said... (original post)

    Some say that a lot of GOP members of Congress may have benefited from Russian hacking help, especially in FL races. Maybe Graham did too.

    Follow the Russian money too.

  • zeuxis said... (original post)

    Follow the Russian money too.

    They are one in the same.

    Covert social media influence is the new way to launder money.

    Dirty money buys social media ads and washes it with fundraising. You can't wash it without someone being complicit on the campaign. After Magnitsky a huge amount of new dirty money existed and POTUS Trump is the result.

  • lpoole said... (original post)

    IMO, I think someone has some tapes, photos on Graham or he is paying someone to keep quiet who has demands. Maybe it's me but when Roof shot all those people in the church in Charleston, his body language, speech patterns, appearance of sincerity were all different then when he is in his usual "political mode". He was like a completely different person, I almost found him likable but men with perfect hair always make me go hummmmmmmmmm.

    I hate Graham. but I seriously doubt he needed help winning SC. I think they love him down there.

  • Yes.

    So too are a great many other pubs who have done an about face on Trump.

    Graham was on The View (I know, but one of the guys in my office hate watches it everyday) yesterday morning stumping for the president - not as bad as Miller was on CNN but it was still pretty off putting. Anyway, at one point one of the women pointed out that he'd called trump a xenophobic misogynistic blah blah blah during the campaign to which he didn't try and back down from but was quick to point out that was how felt during the campaign but as of today, he does not believe to be true of the current president.

    Never been a big graham fan, but dang if it's not disgusting watching a person tie themselves in knots like that.

  • Perhaps, but establishment Pubs figured out that if you praise Trump then you can dictate policy. As a result they see all their globalist/corporatist dreams coming true.

  • 1moretimeagain said... (original post)

    Perhaps, but establishment Pubs figured out that if you praise Trump then you can dictate policy. As a result they see all their globalist/corporatist dreams coming true.

    I'm thinking that's what President Moon is doing with NK negotiations.

  • https://twitter.com/AP/status/951802058239246336

    Cybersecurity firm says the same Russian government-aligned hackers who penetrated the Democratic Party have spent the past few months laying the groundwork for an espionage campaign against the U.S. Senate. https://t.co/d27VpoWhUO

    This post was edited by BillOfRights 1 year ago

  • why wouldn't they? we're doing our best to do nothing about it

    they've made major attempts at influencing national election in countries all over the world through cyber-espionage over the last few year. those efforts coupled with their actual espionage are working - of course they're going to work on opportunistic senators

  • Well, whatever was being used to convince Sen. Graham to play nice with the President, apparently it wasn't enough to overcome being stabbed in the back by the President over immigration reform.

  • 05C40 said... (original post)

    Well, whatever was being used to convince Sen. Graham to play nice with the President, apparently it wasn't enough to overcome being stabbed in the back by the President over immigration reform.

    He was stabbed in the face.

  • I think Graham assessed that he might be able to get meaningful immigration reform by sucking up to Trump. In the end, despite all the stuff Trump said in front of the cameras, he did a 180 and now Graham is pissed.

  • https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/opinion/trump-lindsey-graham-shithole.html

    Donald Trump Will Soil You. Ask Lindsey Graham.
    One day it’s all sun and sycophantic fun on one of the president’s fancy golf courses, where you’re telling yourself that to marvel at his putts and swoon over his swing are small prices for influence and will pay off in the end.

    The next you’re in the middle of a surreal feud among your fellow Republicans about whether he used “shithole” or “shithouse” to describe poor countries of dark-skinned people, and you look like a sellout and fool for having thought and said better about him.

    That’s the story of Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Its moral couldn’t be clearer. There’s no honor or wisdom in cozying up to Donald Trump — just a heap of manure.

    Maybe more than any other figure on Capitol Hill, Graham personifies his party’s spastic, incoherent, humiliating response to Trump across time and its fatally misguided surrender.

  • Howdy, everyone. I remember quite a few of you from our days on the accboards 10-15 years ago.

    Stumbled upon this thread via google as this topic has reared its head in earnest as murmurs of hacked email releases are going round prior to the mid-terms, with Lindsey as a primary target. A good conversation you have going here and mirrors those I've been having. It's just so obvious that the entire republican party is terrified of Russia, why they do nothing to protect us. And then there was Trump, taking a dump on the stage in Helsinki...

    Call me paranoid but my level of confidence in election security this November is nil. We would need a tsunami of biblical proportions to pull out of it with some accountability. Even then, I don't see a quick recovery from this.

  • I don't see a link available yet, but Lindsey decided to pull his pants all the way down on Laura Ingraham's show tonight.