U Conn back to the BE?

U Conn back to the BE?

  • Rumors persist that they are finalizing a return to the BE to appease Fox sports. 20 game regular season round robin proposed.....The Zags were the first choice, but that proved unworkable.

  • Discussion
  • mdjack said... (original post)

    Rumors persist that they are finalizing a return to the BE to appease Fox sports. 20 game regular season round robin proposed.....The Zags were the first choice, but that proved unworkable.

    Love that they had to prove that out as unworkable. Just about the furthest point possible from the big east

  • So is UConn football dropping down a level? If I am the AAC is say pack a bag and get the F out.

    Also - does an 11 team league work or does VCU get the call. Dayton aint getting the call. Xavier wont have it.

    This post was edited by RPGHAWK91 1 year ago

  • Highly doubt Georgetown would want VCU in the BE

    Plus if they want 20 game round robin schedule then 11 teams works great

    My guess is if this happens U Mass would push hard to be the team to replace U Conn in AAC

  • RPGHAWK91 said... (original post)

    So is UConn football dropping down a level? If I am the AAC is say pack a bag and get the F out.

    Also - does an 11 team league work or does VCU get the call. Dayton aint getting the call. Xavier wont have it.

    My source said indy for UConn fball....and no 12 team league, the coaches and admins want a round robin schedule so everyone plays home and away--Fox wanted 20 games.

  • bighawkfan1 said... (original post)

    Highly doubt Georgetown would want VCU in the BE

    Of course, it was just a rumor, but supposedly, Georgetown was an advocate for Richmond when the the nBE was being formed.

  • Big difference in Georgetown’s view between Richmond and VCU

    Plus Richmond never had a shot at joining nbe

    By “advocating” for Richmond GTown was effectively blocking VCU

    The question isn’t if NBE adds a 12th team, they don’t need to
    The question is does AAC add a 12th team, and if so what team?
    There dream is to somehow get into BCS bowl consideration, to do that they need a FOOTBALL program and that is very slim pickings

  • Where does this stuff come from? Rumors of UConn to the Big East started in 2014, and have surfaced off and on for the last five years. The latest rumors popped up last February, and there has been nothing since in any reliable news reports or the UConn boards since then. Could they leave the AAC and go to the BE, yes except for a few obstacles and serious considerations. First what to do with football? The State helped finance the stadium in Hartford and they aren't real keen on seeing it abandoned. With the state in serious financial trouble there is talk that if UConn dropped football or even dropped down to the FCS level they will be expected to payback a large portion of the money the state's tax payers spent to construct the stadium as well as a prorated portion of what the state would expect to receive on game day. Not a good scenario for a cash strapped state university. They could go independent, but the UMass and BYU experience doing just this has not worked out too well. They could drop down a level, although some people claim with the quality of the current team they already have done so. Frankly that will be more costly than staying where they currently stand-at least with the new AAC media deal they can expect to collect $10 million plus annually.
    As for basketball, the grass always looks greener in other places, and sometimes it is. But, is that the case here. Frankly the BE is a solid conference, as long as Villanova holds up their current status. As for the rest of the conference, almost every team has a flaw and cannot be considered consistent enough to depend on their being a top 25 team or even an NCAA participant every year. Why is this important? It looks like the AAC has made major strides, and very well could continue the upward trend. Memphis has the #1 recruiting class in the country, Houston could very well be a consistent top 25 team, expectations are that Temple, WSU Cinny, UCF, SMU will remain solid NCAA contenders. While USF, Tulsa, Tulane and ECU making moves to improve the product. Question is how much better is the BE than the AAC in the future, if it is even that much better now. Both conferences got 4 teams into the NCAA last year. Plus the AAC has as many large markets as the BE. Last consideration, why would a large state university leave a conference made up of primarily similar, like minded schools (exceptions being Tulane & Tulsa) for a conference of exclusively smaller, and with one exception religiously affiliated schools. In the past this has not proven to be a comfortable situation.
    What all of this tell you is yes UConn could leave the AAC for the BE, but in the long run is it a wise move?

  • oleowl said... (original post)

    Where does this stuff come from? Rumors of UConn to the Big East started in 2014, and have surfaced off and on for the last five years. The latest rumors popped up last February, and there has been nothing since in any reliable news reports or the UConn boards since then. Could they leave the AAC and go to the BE, yes except for a few obstacles and serious considerations. First what to do with football? The State helped finance the stadium in Hartford and they aren't real keen on seeing it abandoned. With the state in serious financial trouble there is talk that if UConn dropped football or even dropped down to the FCS level they will be expected to payback a large portion of the money the state's tax payers spent to construct the stadium as well as a prorated portion of what the state would expect to receive on game day. Not a good scenario for a cash strapped state university. They could go independent, but the UMass and BYU experience doing just this has not worked out too well. They could drop down a level, although some people claim with the quality of the current team they already have done so. Frankly that will be more costly than staying where they currently stand-at least with the new AAC media deal they can expect to collect $10 million plus annually.

    As for basketball, the grass always looks greener in other places, and sometimes it is. But, is that the case here. Frankly the BE is a solid conference, as long as Villanova holds up their current status. As for the rest of the conference, almost every team has a flaw and cannot be considered consistent enough to depend on their being a top 25 team or even an NCAA participant every year. Why is this important? It looks like the AAC has made major strides, and very well could continue the upward trend. Memphis has the #1 recruiting class in the country, Houston could very well be a consistent top 25 team, expectations are that Temple, WSU Cinny, UCF, SMU will remain solid NCAA contenders. While USF, Tulsa, Tulane and ECU making moves to improve the product. Question is how much better is the BE than the AAC in the future, if it is even that much better now. Both conferences got 4 teams into the NCAA last year. Plus the AAC has as many large markets as the BE. Last consideration, why would a large state university leave a conference made up of primarily similar, like minded schools (exceptions being Tulane & Tulsa) for a conference of exclusively smaller, and with one exception religiously affiliated schools. In the past this has not proven to be a comfortable situation.

    What all of this tell you is yes UConn could leave the AAC for the BE, but in the long run is it a wise move?

    yes

  • I have no idea if this is true but the AAC is too spread out and has too many garbage basketball programs for UCONN long term. UCONN needs more revenue than the AAC can provide. 10 mill less production costs is not enough. Switching saves a ton on the travel budget and likely helps basketball.

    At this point UConn football exists to help them get into a p5 conference. If that is not on the horizon, the football is a huge drain on the athletic budget

    There is a 42 million annual university subsidy to the athletic program. Also the exit fees UConn is receiving are waning. Their money from the conference may not go up very much, might even go down.

    This post was edited by tomVU97 1 year ago

  • oleowl said... (original post)

    Where does this stuff come from? Rumors of UConn to the Big East started in 2014, and have surfaced off and on for the last five years. The latest rumors popped up last February, and there has been nothing since in any reliable news reports or the UConn boards since then. Could they leave the AAC and go to the BE, yes except for a few obstacles and serious considerations. First what to do with football? The State helped finance the stadium in Hartford and they aren't real keen on seeing it abandoned. With the state in serious financial trouble there is talk that if UConn dropped football or even dropped down to the FCS level they will be expected to payback a large portion of the money the state's tax payers spent to construct the stadium as well as a prorated portion of what the state would expect to receive on game day. Not a good scenario for a cash strapped state university. They could go independent, but the UMass and BYU experience doing just this has not worked out too well. They could drop down a level, although some people claim with the quality of the current team they already have done so. Frankly that will be more costly than staying where they currently stand-at least with the new AAC media deal they can expect to collect $10 million plus annually.

    As for basketball, the grass always looks greener in other places, and sometimes it is. But, is that the case here. Frankly the BE is a solid conference, as long as Villanova holds up their current status. As for the rest of the conference, almost every team has a flaw and cannot be considered consistent enough to depend on their being a top 25 team or even an NCAA participant every year. Why is this important? It looks like the AAC has made major strides, and very well could continue the upward trend. Memphis has the #1 recruiting class in the country, Houston could very well be a consistent top 25 team, expectations are that Temple, WSU Cinny, UCF, SMU will remain solid NCAA contenders. While USF, Tulsa, Tulane and ECU making moves to improve the product. Question is how much better is the BE than the AAC in the future, if it is even that much better now. Both conferences got 4 teams into the NCAA last year. Plus the AAC has as many large markets as the BE. Last consideration, why would a large state university leave a conference made up of primarily similar, like minded schools (exceptions being Tulane & Tulsa) for a conference of exclusively smaller, and with one exception religiously affiliated schools. In the past this has not proven to be a comfortable situation.

    What all of this tell you is yes UConn could leave the AAC for the BE, but in the long run is it a wise move?

    My source is a board member of a BE school not named Villanova. Fox sports has been pressuring them to expand for the last few years. MSG is also in UConn's court, as they want to maximize BE Tourney attendance and increase ticket prices. UConn hired influential former BE Commissioner Mike Tanghese to head their effort...
    I would think X, Gtown, Butler, Marquette are pretty solid programs, with a combined 41 NCAA bids in the last 15 years. Losing UConn will really damage AAC hoops, as they have 9 bids, and 2 national titles in the last 15 years, and add to the stature of the BE.
    How does the AAC replace UConn?

    This post was edited by mdjack 1 year ago

  • mdjack said... (original post)

    My source is a board member of a BE school not named Villanova. Fox sports has been pressuring them to expand for the last few years. MSG is also in UConn's court, as they want to maximize BE Tourney attendance and increase ticket prices. UConn hired influential former BE Commissioner Mike Tanghese to head their effort...

    wow, Tranghese has made a fortune from being Gavitt's right hand man! since he left the Big East, it seems like he has been a "special advisor" to several conferences, schools, tournaments, committees, etc. good for him!!

  • I hope we don't lose VCU or anyone for that matter. If anyone Umass. The A10 needs a flagship program like VCU.

  • if U Conn leaves and I still think that is a big IF, simply because they won't survive in football as an independent
    If they go back to BE, U Conn should either drop down a level in football to possibly Colonial Conference or consider abandoning the program, it is a huge money loser for them anyway.

    But IF U Conn leaves the AAC, the AAC has a tough decision to make, to make their 2 division set up in football work they would need to add a football program.
    there are probably better football programs than U Conn they could add but none that will move the needle for them too much in terms of football.
    VCU doesn't even field a football team so they aren't an option. They could go and add a program like FIU, Middle Tennessee or a program like Charlotte or Rice

    If U Conn leaves, the AAC will become even a stranger conference for Temple, another shift from the east to probably a team from the South or Southwest.

  • bighawkfan1 said... (original post)

    if U Conn leaves and I still think that is a big IF, simply because they won't survive in football as an independent

    If they go back to BE, U Conn should either drop down a level in football to possibly Colonial Conference or consider abandoning the program, it is a huge money loser for them anyway.

    But IF U Conn leaves the AAC, the AAC has a tough decision to make, to make their 2 division set up in football work they would need to add a football program.

    there are probably better football programs than U Conn they could add but none that will move the needle for them too much in terms of football.

    VCU doesn't even field a football team so they aren't an option. They could go and add a program like FIU, Middle Tennessee or a program like Charlotte or Rice

    If U Conn leaves, the AAC will become even a stranger conference for Temple, another shift from the east to probably a team from the South or Southwest.

    Get ready for those UNH / Maine battles on the gridiron……..Huskies might be underdogs?

  • Cable TV is dying quick. Fox dictating terms is hilarious. That well of money will dry up pretty quick for the BE, so I guess get what you can while you can.

  • sjhawk13 said... (original post)

    Cable TV is dying quick. Fox dictating terms is hilarious. That well of money will dry up pretty quick for the BE, so I guess get what you can while you can.

    It was a fluke of history that the nBE got so much money. Fox Sports Channel was just launched and desperately needed content. The nBE needed a broadcasting contract.

  • I know UConn hired Mike Tanghese , not to help them decide to join the BE, but rather to figure out how to stabilize the athletic program. BE is one of the options, the concern is the ancillary considerations primarily football and other non-revenue sports. It is important to consider Tanghese consulted with the B12 when they looked at adding schools and he sided with ESPN and advised them not to expand. Bottom line in that decision was that the value just was not there, because ESPN refused to consider paying more for a larger conference. I don't know what the Huskies will do, but what I do know is these decisions are not about the past 15 years, it is about the next 15 years. Temple's mistakes in the past were caused by focusing on the past, rather than the future and those days are over on North Broad. It is nice to know Fox would like the BE to expand, but the elephant in the room is ESPN, just ask the B12, ACC and past BE officials. You are correct the cable industry is changing, the measure has changed from number of cable connections, although this is still part of the equation, to eyeballs on the TV. There have been a number AAC football games over the last few years that drew one million plus viewers, and rating for basketball were higher than the BE on Fox, the exception being Villanova games on ESPN and during the tournament.
    What will the AAC do if UConn leaves, look to UMass, ODU, etc maybe. Although a athletic department member at a AAC school tells me they will almost certainly renew talks with schools in the Mountain West about a cross country conference with two large divisions or four smaller divisions. ESPN will play a role in those discussions.It is about the future.

  • mdjack said... (original post)

    My source is a board member of a BE school not named Villanova. Fox sports has been pressuring them to expand for the last few years. MSG is also in UConn's court, as they want to maximize BE Tourney attendance and increase ticket prices. UConn hired influential former BE Commissioner Mike Tanghese to head their effort...

    I would think X, Gtown, Butler, Marquette are pretty solid programs, with a combined 41 NCAA bids in the last 15 years. Losing UConn will really damage AAC hoops, as they have 9 bids, and 2 national titles in the last 15 years, and add to the stature of the BE.

    How does the AAC replace UConn?

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    Impressive! It is now being reported as happening elsewhere.

  • tomVU97 said... (original post)

    ——

    Impressive! It is now being reported as happening elsewhere.

    ESPN says perhaps as early next week for an official announcement

    Sources: UConn expected to rejoin Big East

    UConn is expected to leave the American Athletic Conference and return to the Big East for basketball and other sports in 2020, sources told ESPN.

    Read more

  • glad to see the Big East get stronger while not taking any of our league teams. conferences like the A10, Big East etc. need to stay as close as possible to the flagship conferences when it comes to basketball.

  • ch2hawk said... (original post)

    glad to see the Big East get stronger while not taking any of our league teams.

    The BE won't be raiding the A10 again but there may be some concern that the AAC may look to VCU as a replacement for UConn in hoops and other non-football sports. The below Yahoo article says VCU would be the most likely target to replenish the hoops ranks (with Army or Air Force joining for football).

    https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-u-conn-move-to-the-big-east-inevitable-151200471.html

    This post was edited by HawkamaniacLives 1 year ago

  • RATS! Makes sense for VCU if they want to maximize their potential. Not that Saint Louis is a prize, but I wonder how long they will hang out on the edge of the A10? Lose Dayton and we become the MAAC on steroids.

  • HawkamaniacLives said... (original post)

    The BE won't be raiding the A10 again but there may be some concern that the AAC may look to VCU as a replacement for UConn in hoops and other non-football sports. The below Yahoo article says VCU would be the most likely target to replenish the hoops ranks (with Army or Air Force joining for football).

    https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-u-conn-move-to-the-big-east-inevitable-151200471.html

    AAC adding Army or Air Force for football does nothing to help the profile of AAC football

    AAC wants to be considered a top tier football conference.

  • bighawkfan1 said... (original post)

    AAC adding Army or Air Force for football does nothing to help the profile of AAC football

    AAC wants to be considered a top tier football conference.

    Is the AAC really more prestigious than the A10 now that their premier member has flown the coop?

  • the A10 should be trying to raid Wichita State from the AAC now. I said when they went to the AAC it was a mistake for them. Be proactive and try to get them before the AAC comes for VCU. Although I think it would be a mistake for VCU to go to the AAC.