Saul Alinsky's 8 steps to socialism....

Saul Alinsky's 8 steps to socialism....

  • Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

  • Discussion
  • DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     
     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control— Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from theGovernment and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

     

    Investmentwatchblog.com?

    How far off the grid do you live? 

    Link Breitbart and Infowars and you'll hit the Trifecta. 

  • cfetters wrote:
    DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     
     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way youare able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

     

    Investmentwatchblog.com?

    How far off the grid do you live? 

    Link Breitbart and Infowars and you'll hit the Trifecta. 

    Right on cue Fetters.  If you don't like the message then by all means disparage the messenger.  Classic denial.  Those 8 points of Alinsky are in direct correlation with Obama. You just may find yourself happier, most likely not, if you just accepted the truth.

  • DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:
    cfetters wrote:
    DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create asocialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     
     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control ofwhat people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

     

    Investmentwatchblog.com?

    How far off the grid do you live? 

    Link Breitbart and Infowars and you'll hit the Trifecta. 

    Right on cue Fetters.  If you don't like the message then by all means disparage the messenger.  Classic denial.  Those 8 points of Alinsky are in direct correlation with Obama. You just may find yourself happier, most likely not, if you just accepted the truth.

    Notice you didn't answer anything - just went on the attack. 

    A bit defensive lately? I wonder why. 

    Oh, and since you apparently haven't gotten the message - Obama isn't the President anymore. 

    But he was born in America.  :)

  • DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     
     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

    I'll bet you think Russia secretly wants to help us preserve our Republic with all the collusion going on.

     

  • This is a great example of false news and false assertions out there, which the far right wing media, with absolutely no standards, but is willfully saying bogus stuff to push their extreme agenda. Not all, but many Trump supporters and tea party types are easily duped by this and become willful shills in spreading this stuff. Sorry, but it's so easily shown to be bogus and just shows that those who push this never care to do even the least amount of research to verify whether there's any truth to this. 

     

    Whatever, you might think of Alinsky, he never came up with these "8 steps". Nor did he ever talk about "toppling a nation". Even if they don't realize it, it'san embarrassment to themselves to say stuff like this. This is a well known bogus bit of information going around on the internet and repeated in the far right echo chamber.

     

    Alinsky was a community activist who used pretty ruthless tactics to get his local agenda with extreme pressure on local politicians. Ironically, even the tea party uses his methods when they shouted and rabble roused at town halls when politicians tried to talk to constituents. And yes, we've seen this again in recent town halls regarding healthcare and Obamacare.

     

    Here are Alinsky's actual 13 rules for "Power Tactics when it comes to community activism"- no talk about any of the stuff listed in this original post, and saying that Obama espouses any of the things listed in the OP is way beyond silly):

     

    Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

    The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people. When an action is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

    The third rule is: Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

    The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.

    The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.

    The sixth rule is: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy. If your people are not having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.

    The seventh rule: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time, after which it becomes a ritualistic commitment, like going to church on Sunday mornings.

    The eighth rule: Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

    The ninth rule: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

    The tenth rule: Themajor premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.

    The eleventh rule is: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative.

    The twelfth rule: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his sudden agreement with your demand and saying “You’re right — we don’t know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us.”

    The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

     

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

  • Thanks Duck for having the guts to expose Obama, again. He is not a capitalist but hey thank God he is gone.

  • That sounds like a checklist being used by the current GOP.

  • Whether on far right or far left, you all are defensive. The people in the middle see the silliness and stupidity of trump AND the craziness of what HRC would have brought.

    Having to resort to Saul Alinsky, without even reading it, knew it would be on either extreme. Just like the far left, MSNBC, if Trump brought all the poor out of poverty, MSNBC would find some fault in it.

    I wish there was a strong candidate in the middle who was for social issues, and lower govt and lower taxes. Since that won't happen, we get to live with right vs left.

  • PDF, you're exactly correct. I lean right, but am for gay marrrige, couldn't care less about abortion, or any other social issues.

    On the other hand PC America drives me nuts, I think I should pay less taxes, and dislike government waste.

    Don't know how I got here, but think the right vs left in DC is why politicians suck.

    In my company, we listen to all of our key people, them decide a course of action. We do what is best. Political guys don't.

    I wanted to give Trump a chance, even though I knew he was an idiot. I would have given HRC a chance, even though I didn't like her.

    The far left and far right wouldn't give anyone on the other side a chance.

    Which is why moose and Ducks are always supporting their cause. They can't see the other side. I just think there should be some middle. Perhaps that's why a lot of companies do well, and the govt doesn't, never a middle ground.

  • At least Moose is somewhat open-minded. You can not say that at all about Ducks. And the shortest way to Fascism is to constantly try to kill the truth.

  • I said moose and ducks are always supporting their cause. Didn't say equal comparison. . Both of them can't see the other side.

    Both might be good guys never met them. One has over 8000 posts, mostly against the right, the other posts only about how bad the left is.

    One may be more extreme.

    My point is, I don't see how anybody can't see some middle ground. Anytime ever. Yet far right and far left are just that. PDF can't see how I can be in the middle, I see the opposite. Maybe that is just how I see private business. Can't have it all your way.

  • ladyhawks wrote: PDF, you're exactly correct. I lean right, but am for gay marrrige, couldn't care less about abortion, or any other social issues.

    On the other hand PC America drives me nuts, I think I should pay less taxes, and dislike government waste.

    Don't know how I got here, but think the right vs left in DC is why politicians suck.

    In my company, we listen to all of our key people, them decide a course of action. We do what is best. Politicalguys don't.

    I wanted to give Trump a chance, even though I knew he was an idiot. I would have given HRC a chance, even though I didn't like her.

    The far left and far right wouldn't give anyone on the other side a chance.

    Which is why moose and Ducks are always supporting their cause. They can't see the other side. I just think there should be some middle. Perhaps that's why a lot of companies do well, and the govt doesn't, never a middle ground.

    Companies or businesses are nothing like a government and so it's always a bad comparison. If a company had a legislative branch (which formulated all company rules) voted on by the employees of the company and a CEO who was voted into power by the workers, it would be more similar. If a company had to spend money on infrastructure beyond it's own properties and had to tax its employees to get that done, it would be a lot more like a company. If a company had to have its own defense department to protect itself from foreign attack and to protect its interests, it would be more like a government. If a company had to deal with paying out pensions decided on by executives who were voted into their positions by the employees, it would be more like a government.

     

    But none of this is true. Companies are not democracies with competing interests. They are top down autocracies.

     

    Any time you get a democratic form of government, you get competing interests and groupings of people who have common interests and more importantly, common beliefs. Politicians gain power by creating a base out of cobbling together some of these groupings.This eventually divides us into groups with common beliefs, even if sometimes our beliefs don't always coincide with our actual interests. A successful politician can even shape beliefs by targeting grievances in a way which benefits them. Demagogues scapegoat.

     

    Thinking that a government should run or can run as well and smoothly as a business, is not understanding the differences.

     

    With regard to left, right, and the middle, that's relative depending on where you happen to fit, yourself. Also a moderate in liberal democracies like Canada, Europe, or the US varies with regard to what a liberal, conservative, or moderate means.

     

    I viewed Hillary as a moderate democrat and Bernie as a pretty far left democrat. Don't think Trump has any core principles and so doesn't fit into any of those categories. Kasich was a good example of a moderate republicanand Cruz, a far right republican. If Kasich was president, you can bet I wouldn't be talking about him as a disaster the way I perceive Trump. Even Pence, who's pretty far right wouldn't get as much negative comment by me. But Trump has some very seriousissues.

  • LH,

    I definitely lean left these days, but I try to at least listen to the other side.  I must say however, I have a hard time listening to some of the stuff people try to excuse from Trump.  In my opinion, he's  embarrassed himself and this nation with his rants on twitter and all of his other stunts. 

    I wasn't in love with HRC either.  IMO she was the lesser of 2 evils.  As an example, I thought it was absolutely ludicrous for Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch to meet on an airport tarmac.  I don't care if they were talking about golf or whatever, it simply looked bad and they have no one but themselves to blame for that.   It's also my opinion she ran on the platform of being the lesser of 2 evils and not what she was going to do for this country. 

    IMO the democrats should pick their battles; to try to filibuster to prevent the Gorsuch nomination is not in their best interest.  It was wrong of the republicans to not allow Obama to appoint a judge, but if they filibuster, they're just as bad IMHO.  Gorsuch is conservative, but I can't find anything bad about him in my research. 

    I don't believe we're going to see any reaching across the aisle while Trump is president.  He's not a builder of relations, he's a destroyer of relations.  

    I also think democrats would be more willing to reach across, however, the last 7 years have taught them not to.  Former speaker Boehner back in 2010 referring to Obama's agenda stated; “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”  And boy did they keep to their word.  That doesn't sound very compromising to me. 

  • Graywilli. Agree

    We all have opinions as you can see. I just see far right and far left too inflexible. Hard to get things done when everyone has arms crossed.

    The Gorsuch thing is silly. Left saying no simply on politics.

    And yes. Trump isn't very good.

  • They also have a SCOTUS candidate who was nominated and left in limbo.

  • purpledawgfan wrote:

    How exactly does one end up in the middle?  That never made sense to me.  If there are two parties how can you have a third option unless that option is to opt out of an opinion?  Even with a moderateD or R, you're still left or right.  

     

    I will agree that I'd prefer a moderate Democrat these days to the fringe we've been getting.  Someone that can create compromise between the two bitter factions and really focus on big picture issues.  Jobs, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Terrorism.  Leave religious bills and bathroom laws for the states.  But I don't believe there actually is a "middle" in politics.  You're either for or against lowering taxes.  You're either for or against expanding government to care for the poor.  You're either for or against military action.  To me, that shows a spectrum of being conservative or liberal but not a combination of both.  So you're still moderate LEFT or moderate RIGHT.  

     

    Maybe I'm wrong.  I haven't had any coffee yet and the dog is trying to play while I type this.  

    I am for a strong modern military, conservative pro business pro job creation economically.  I support same sex marriage, social help for the poor, supporta woman right to choose.  What am I? 

  • cfetters wrote:
    DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:
    cfetters wrote:
    DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    Gee this sounds familiar.

    Saul Alinsky”s Doctrine: 8 steps to topple a nation and create a socialist state

    BY IWB ·  OCTOBER 16, 2015

     
     

    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people

    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.

    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.

    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.

    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).

    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.

    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.

    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier totake (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.

    Here is Obama....

    1. Check

    2.Check

    3. Check

    4. Check

    5. Check

    6. Check

    7. Check

    8. Check

    Obvious the democrats hanging onto socialist Obamacare by any means necessary.

     

    Investmentwatchblog.com?

    How far off the grid do you live? 

    Link Breitbart and Infowars and you'll hit the Trifecta. 

    Right on cue Fetters.  If you don't like the message then by all means disparage the messenger.  Classic denial.  Those 8 points of Alinsky are in direct correlation with Obama. You just may find yourself happier, most likely not, if you just accepted the truth.

    Notice you didn't answer anything - just went on the attack. 

    A bit defensive lately? I wonder why. 

    Oh, and since you apparently haven't gotten the message - Obama isn't the President anymore. 

    But he was born in America.  :)

    I would gladly answer an honest question from you but there is no such thing.  You are all about the gotcha game.

  • purpledawgfan wrote:

    You lean right.  You're a conservative.  When you say you support same sex and women's rights, it's like a white guy saying, "I have a black friend!" to prove he's not racist.  That doesn't make you liberal and it doesn't mean you lean left.  You're pretty solid to the right.  Just the way you wrote your sentence eluding that Democrats aren't pro business or pro job creation?  Have you not been to Silicon Valley?  What state is Wall Street in?  What state has the 18th largest economy?  Come on, that's just silly.  Republican or Democrat matters very little in jobs and business.  

    You're a little left in the GOP.  But in the overall picture, you're firmly in the conservative neighborhood.  

    You post so much on here and it is always about your support for some wacko leftist cause.  I have never, ever read where you posted any concern or interest in the stock market or economy.  None.  

    With your insidious reference to same sex marriage and women's rights you are just clueless. You are so stuck in your stereotypes that you cannot see straight.  Quite possibly the most judgmental guy on this board.

  • DUCKSareOVERRATED wrote:

    purpledawgfan wrote:

    You lean right. You're a conservative. When you say you support same sex and women's rights, it's like a white guy saying, "I have ablack friend!" to prove he's not racist. That doesn't make you liberal and it doesn't mean you lean left. You're pretty solid to the right. Just the way you wrote your sentence eluding that Democrats aren't pro business or pro job creation? Have you not been to Silicon Valley? What state is Wall Street in? What state has the 18th largest economy? Come on, that's just silly. Republican or Democrat matters very little in jobs and business.

    You're a little left in the GOP. But in the overall picture, you're firmly in the conservative neighborhood.

    You post so much on here and it is always about your support for some wacko leftist cause. I have never, ever read where you posted any concern or interest in the stock market or economy. None.

    With your insidious reference to same sex marriage and women's rights you are just clueless. You are so stuck in your stereotypes that you cannot see straight. Quite possibly the most judgmental guy on this board.

    Here's a pot meet kettle moment.

  • Great insight Moose. You can tell by the writing the difference between real news and this fake crap Ducks believes.  Actually posting what Alinsky's stated as opposed to how radicals interpret it.  

    Fetters is right. Ducks is a little testy after major defeats by his preferred party. Has to attack Democrats to deflect from the failures of Trump. He's even going after Obama even though the GOP is in total power. Obama hasn't had the ability to do much in 7 years, but with how bad the GOP looksright now, what else can Ducks talk about?

  • How exactly does one end up in the middle?  That never made sense to me.  If there are two parties how can you have a third option unless that option is to opt out of an opinion?  Even with a moderate D or R, you're still left or right.  

     

    I will agree that I'd prefer a moderate Democrat these days to the fringe we've been getting.  Someone that can create compromise between the two bitter factions and really focus on big picture issues.  Jobs, Infrastructure, Healthcare, Terrorism.  Leave religious bills and bathroom laws for the states.  But I don't believe there actually is a "middle" in politics.  You're either for or against lowering taxes.  You're either for or against expanding government to care for the poor.  You're either foror against military action.  To me, that shows a spectrum of being conservative or liberal but not a combination of both.  So you're still moderate LEFT or moderate RIGHT.  

     

    Maybe I'm wrong.  I haven't had any coffee yet and the dog is trying to play while I type this.  

  • I really don't think you can compare Moose to Ducks.  I'll agree, Moose leans left and I don't believe he is trying to hide it.  But to compare those two together is like comparing Francis Crick to a potato.  I'm not saying Moose is that brilliant, I'm just trying to show the divide between the two.  

  • But I agree with your assessment here.  We all lean one way or the other.  It's those in the middle of the spectrum that we should be listening to.  

  • The company v. government is a very good analogy.  

  • You lean right.  You're a conservative.  When you say you support same sex and women's rights, it's like a white guy saying, "I have a black friend!" to prove he's not racist.  That doesn't make you liberal and it doesn't mean you lean left.  You're pretty solid to the right.  Just the way you wrote your sentence eluding that Democrats aren't pro business or pro job creation?  Have you not been to Silicon Valley?  What state is Wall Street in?  What state has the 18th largest economy?  Come on, that's just silly.  Republican or Democrat matters very little in jobs and business.  

    You're a little left in the GOP.  But in the overall picture, you're firmly in the conservative neighborhood.