Young Stupid and Browns ...........

Young Stupid and Browns ...........

  • Oh- fer Three at home, two and four on the season heading into a bye with the Patriots sitting in waiting on the other side .

    Yesterday was a self emulation .

    One punt Blocked .

    One Fumble .

    Three Picks including one which effectively amounted to a 14 point turnaround save that Seattle didn't convert their PAT two point try.

    Winning in the NFL is no easy proposition , learning how to win is painful , because unfortunately you go through stupid losses which cost you victories because of your inexperience of handling the pressure and situational play in critical spots which contributes to wins .

    Talent itself is not enough to win at this level , it gets you into the dance , but your professionalism work ethic ,coaching and intensity separate you from the also rans to those who run roughshod and win at this level.

    The pissant inbred are down to their third string QB ,yet came together as a team played next man up went on the road and rolled a playoff team on the west coast .

    The same west Coast where with an extra days rest we went into and got rolled and abused like choir boys too intimidated in the moment to even whimper .

    Then come back to Cleveland in what coulda been and shoulda been a get right game ,we choke like wretched hogs who bit off into something to big to chew or swallow can't unlodge our teeth and roll around like floppin fish dumped onto the wharf while we count the time until we expire .

    Its the moron stupidity of a Young team who talks too effin much from the HC to the water boy .

    We couldn't sneak up on a heard of stampeding elephants with our Bullhorn procession and self aggrandizement before every game, yet we repeat the same stupid process instead of humbly learning the NFL's hard but clear lessons.

    You have to put up or shut up, .

    We can't talk our way out of this *****.

    Baker has to work this bye week on his basic footwork and do hours of film with a QB coach who can scathingly Break down his ***** play for what it is .

    His body and feet aren't lining up , his brain is making the throw before his body is ready to deliver and his anticipation is for garbage because he's forcing the ball to satisfy the La mafia he's got at receiver.

    Some of this is bad habits spurred by losing his blanky in Zeitler who settled the entire Oline ,some is on Campen for the piss poor replacement of Wiley because of the precipitous evident production dropoff ,most is on Dorsey for screwing with what worked and ruining the strength of this team in what so far must be graded as a failure .

    The $15 million dollar DE we got for our best Oline and the glue that held that unit together has been catastrophic.

    His loss has caused such a precipitous drop in bakers play ,It has allowed Sam Darnold to surpass Baker as the best looking QB in that draft completely reversing last years results .

    Meanwhile Baker doesn't get a pass while everyone else gets blamed .

    Its beyond evident his sorry **** did not work on his craft to improve his game suffering the arrogant cockiness that he didn't think he needed too which has resulted in clear regression and a deterioration of basic fundamental footwork and the exceptional brainwork spawned by filmwork to remain and ascend to elite at this level.

    Mentally he's not controlling this team, the leadership is not coming from him but the selfish **** receiver room.

    Defensively , our problem is no toughness in the middle of the field ,our linebacker and safety play consists of the resiliency of Marshmallows.

    Garrett is a young talented Punk, who doesn't know what he doesn't know about the first letter in the word leadership, its why I ripped his arrogant **** for spurning the talent and veteran wisdom of a Gerald McCoy arrogantly believing he knew it all.

    We miss Peppers , Randall tackles like a girl , while the inbred safety we signed might as well be on sabbatical because he's never in te same zip as the play .

    Thats on Dorsey , he broke up a team to form a collection of parts that have never meshed this season, he picked the coach he thought he could control over the hardass Gregg Williams.

    So far the players coach players friend has not warranted the decision, as this team has regressed into a slack **** group of Jackoffs , who play undisciplined me first ball .

    Their attitudes would have never been accepted or tolerated under Williams ,nor the arrogance in which they started this season and continues to plague them now .

    We aren't as good as we think we are , have not played one game upto our capabilities and won't until we face the reality , we're now circling the drain and must go back to the drawing board realizing we lose two more games

    Two countem ,"2" we're out on our **** sucking hind tit and doing what we did last year coming on strong playing our best ball with not one shot of the dance having lost too many early and mathematically eliminating ourselves.

    Ironically the 10-6 record that put RAC out most likely puts us in .

    So there is that ,nevermind winning 8 just don't lose more than 2.

    Rosy prospect until you realize the undefeated Pats are up next .

    Easy Peasy .

    No sweat , we got this , just ask myles we're good.

    >>>>>>>

    SoulDawg

  • Discussion
  • Wow I agree with everything said here...

  • Lays all on the line one hypothesis at a time.

    Thesis presented at a PhD level paradigm.

    SD74 stunningly surgically scathes the team.

    Leaving the deep wounds open for a better chance of healing.

  • I agree. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. Nothing I see indicates that will change. Hey, I've been watching this show for a long time. By the way, somebody needs to tell Freddy that this is the NFL; run the clock when you have the lead, take the points when you can, go into the locker room 23-12.

  • westsidewahoo said... (original post) I agree. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. Nothing I see indicates that will change. Hey, I've been watching this show for ...

    SD:

    We're not that far off from being winners , but we're like Barney Fife forced to carry our one bullet in our pocket ,because were so stupid as too have a chance to blow off our own toes otherwise.

    Unfortunately that traces back too coaching.

    The Browns are the third worst team in the NFL when it comes to second half production ,behind the Deadskins and the Dulphins.

    Good teams make their hay in the second half , while we fade in the stretch ,showing an inability to adjust on the fly , counter the other teams counter , or just simply hold our mud and make solid football plays getting stops in crucial spots or gaining first downs when its critical to keep possession .

    Bottom line we don't play solid fundamental football , where it starts , and as such when things get hairy we have no base of reference to get back too , no go to punch no identity ,no draw the line in the sand leadership on either side of the ball.

    I blame Dorsey for the disjointed chemical mix , when he destroyed the teams strength at Oline , and imported two cancerous overpaid castoffs to both the defense and offense from a losing organization making them the highest paid players on the team ,but the fix is available within Freddy's pervue .

    Only problem he has to grow a pair in an off week , in addition to where you have to beat an undefeated Superbowl Championship team to get back on the wellness trail.

    But no worries , Myles has all the answers ,just ask him.

    >>>>>>>>

    SoulDawg

  • Its beyond evident his sorry **** did not work on his craft to improve his game suffering the arrogant cockiness that he didn't think he needed too which has resulted in clear regression and a deterioration of basic fundamental footwork and the exceptional brainwork spawned by filmwork to remain and ascend to elite at this level.

    You don't know that. Don't accuse Mayfield of being a slacker until you have some solid evidence of it.

    The defenses now have a "book" on Mayfield and are throwing new coverages at him, including changing the coverage AFTER the snap.

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/10/browns-ryan-lindley-defenses-have-a-book-on-baker-mayfield-but-still-confident-hes-something-special.html

    He just needs more experience. Getting Higgins back and Callaway up to speed after his suspension will also help, plus more time with OBJ. Beckham had six catches for 101 yards against the Seahawks. A 16-yard catch was nullified due to an ineligible receiver downfield call and Beckham dropped two balls that slipped right through his hands. He should have had a 150-yard day. He's coming around.

    The biggest issue IMO is Dorsey was quoted as saying the players lacked focus, concentration and sometimes were "lazy" with their technique. All of that can be corrected with better focus and effort. It's up to Freddie to start slapping guys upside the head if they're not focused and putting forth max effort on each play. He sounds angry and frustrated enough to start doing just that.

    However, there are some things that can't be fixed. The Browns are the third youngest team in the league. They have career backups starting at RG, RT, and TE. Mack Wilson is going through growing pains as a rookie starter. But they will get better and the schedule will get easier.

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  • PROSECUTOR said... (original post) Its beyond evident his sorry **** did not work on his craft to improve his game suffering the arrogant cockiness that he didn't think he ne...

    SD:

    We don't have video tape of OJ gutting those two fateful lovers either , but if you think he cut his hand in Chicago instead of when he was slitting them fools necks , I gotta Progressive commercial with Baker in it says that mutha effa couldn't been on set and in the film room too.

    Lamar Jackson made a massive improvement , because he put in the work .

    Where as Baker has had a massive regression ,because he didn't.

    He and Myles are perfect examples of guys not knowing what they don't know .

    It ain't personal , but you can't make the case this man put himself out and worked his **** off this offseason , when the stats show him as the worst QB in the league .

    Worst in interceptions , worst in the redzone 32nd in the league, for starting QBR, and his base fundamentals a complete abysmal putrid stinking unacceptable mess .

    It's affected his ability to run and lead this team.

    Players respond to performance , and you lose all effectiveness posing as the HMFIC when your play is for ***** let alone contributing directly to losses, because you're serving picks like Halloween candy.

    No time to play the blame game or engage in your pitiful attempts of deee-nile , the resultant stink is unassailable that the work wasn't put in this offseason with all his endorsement brand building Marriage and the arrogant stupidity of youth , that he got this .

    The Blame is certified in Stone its inarguable there is no effin way on God's green earth he could have put in the work and played this bad, so let's move on .

    Whats important and all that counts going forward now comes down to this ,

    We have one bye week and 10 games to fix the problem ,and we can only lose two of those games to have a realistic shot to get in the dance, and our first game back after this bye is verse the undefeated Patriots in Foxboro.

    No pressure , it's not like missing a wedding rehearsal or more endorsement deals for the actual work that earned you those shots or nothin .

    OOOOOps my bad , Dat never happened

    >>>>>

    SoulDawg

  • Let's face it....the 2nd half of last season was a bit of a mirage. We all drank the kool-aid because we were desperate for something good after 2 1/2 years in the wilderness.

    But, the reality is we beat up on a bunch of tomato cans and teams that had already phoned it in for the year. We were 0-3 against teams that made the playoffs...with the season finale at Baltimore being the only competitive game....the Chiefs and Texans both took us to the woodshed.

    Freddie and Baker were, to some degree anyway, playing with house money and really didn't have anything to lose....and DCs were caught a bit unawares or really didn't even bother scheming much up because it was, after all, the Browns.

    Now, we waltz into a new year where DCs have spent the entire off season dissecting these suddenly new look Browns and have found some potential weaknesses that they have exploited....nothing unusual....almost all young QBs who have early success are challenged by defenses around the league to prove that they can continue to be successful.

    Throw in the difficulty of our 1st half schedule, one of the youngest rosters in the league, a new coaching staff, including a 1st year HC who is also doubling as the OC, and a new shiny offensive weapon that requires some high maintenance....and you've got a recipe for a 2-4 start....and a lot of hand wringing among the faithful who thought this was the year that we were going to make some noise.

    I still think we come out of this on the other side and win 6 or 7 of these last 10 games and end up 8-8 or 9-7.....probably not good enough to win the division but maybe a nice stepping stone into 2020 where we can actually take that next step that we all thought was in the cards for this year.

  • My wishes for the final 10 games this season:

    Win all the games in the division, that's right, you heard me.

    New England, Buffalo, Denver -- start playing tough and smart football (Freddy are you listenin?) -- win one of 'em, take the others to 60 minutes.

    Beat Dolphins, Beat Cardinals.

    Playoff game, take our shot.

  • westsidewahoo said... (original post) My wishes for the final 10 games this season: Win all the games in the division, that's right, you heard me.New England, Buffalo, Denver ...

    Works for me.....

  • TheDutchman said... (original post) Let's face it....the 2nd half of last season was a bit of a mirage. We all drank the kool-aid because we were desperate for something good ...

    This is a much better explanation as to why we're 2-4 than the theory that Mayfield blew off the off-season. I'm pretty sure he was throwing passes to wide receivers in Cali the week before his wedding.

    “There are a lot of misnomers out there about Baker,” Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens said at minicamp last week. “Baker works his tail off in everything that he does, and it is no different this year than it was last year.”

    The quality of the opponents has been much higher so far this year than it was the second half of last season. We also lost one of the top guards in the league and Higgins and Callaway have also been out. Opponents have film on Baker and are devising schemes to confuse him. It's a lot of things, not just "Baker got a big head and didn't put in the work".

  • ProFootballFocus ranks the Browns defense 18th after six games. Here's the comment:

    "There was plenty of optimism for the Browns this offseason, and that extended to their defense after several additions, namely Olivier Vernon and Sheldon Richardson via free agency and Greedy Williams via the draft. That optimism hasn’t yet been realized with the product on the field in Cleveland, and while some of that can be contributed to lingering injuries that have hampered players like Williams and the talented sophomore cornerback Denzel Ward, there is still blame to go around for systemic issues such as missed tackles. The Browns have missed 56 tackles on defense in 2019 (tied for second most) after leading the league in that category a season ago (169). Myles Garrett has been an undeniable bright spot, though. His 90.9 pass-rushing grade trails only Khalil Mack on the season."

    They didn't mention Garrett's six penalties so I will. Also, the Browns run defense sucks and Garrett has a hand in that.

    I'm hoping that getting Greedy and Ward back plus Mack Wilson continuing his transition to the pro game will result in a better defense over the last 10 games.

    Here are the comments on some of the better defenses we'll face the rest of the season.

    "The Patriots [ranked 1st] have been far and away the best defense in the NFL this season, registering an EPA allowed per play of nearly -0.5. Their defensive success can largely be attributed to their secondary, which has been playing outstanding football, granted against some of the most advantageous quarterback matchups a team could possibly have."

    (The Pats have played the easiest schedule in the league so far. Must be nice being in the same division as the Dolphins and Jets).

    "The Bills [3rd ranked defense] are off to a hot 4-1 start, and it’s thanks largely to their lock-down defense through the first five games...The Bills have allowed just four completions on passes 20 or more yards downfield all season, and they are the only team in the NFL that is yet to allow a touchdown on such passes."

    "2019 has been disappointing for the Steelers [ranked 8th] for a number of reasons, but those reasons fall primarily on the offensive side of the ball. The defense has performed well to this point, and in all honestly it should given the first-round talent they have acquired on that side of the ball over the last six or seven seasons. T.J. Watt is quickly becoming one of the better pass rushers in the league, and his 83.9 pass-rush grade this season sits sandwiched between the Bosa brothers. The loss of Stephon Tuitt to a torn pectoral certainly hurts this unit moving forward, as he was on pace for a career year. His 89.4 overall grade ranked sixth among all interior defenders, right behind teammate Cameron Heyward."

    "The Broncos [ranked 9th] have grown accustomed to having a top-ten defense in recent years, and that is no different in 2019. As in the No Fly Zone days, that effort has been led by the secondary. Among 198 cornerbacks and safeties with 100 or more defensive snaps, the Broncos can claim three of the top 20 players in overall grade – Kareem Jackson (90.1 — 4th), Justin Simmons (84.9 — 9th) and Chris Harris Jr. (79.7 1 20th). Opposing quarterbacks have just two passing touchdowns when targeting a member of their secondary, tied for second-fewest in the NFL behind only the Patriots."

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  • PROSECUTOR said... (original post) ProFootballFocus ranks the Browns defense 18th after six games. Here's the comment:"There was plenty of optimism for the Browns this o...

    Thanks Pros!

    I don't think the Browns are actually that horrible, after looking at our roster top to bottom today, but they are undisciplined and unlucky with the schedule (TEN, @NYJ, LAR, @BAL, @SF, SEA, @NE, DEN). They have the issue with the INTs bouncing off of WRs' hands, and their schedule timing sucks. They also have to face defenses with great front 4s this year that are physical (BUF, SEA, NE, DEN, TEN, PIT 2x). If we only win 5 or 6 games it will be due to those factors. But going from 7-8-1 to 6-10 isn't as bad as people think. I think peoples' expectations of 10-6 to 12-4 were probably too much and the national media piling on put undue pressure on this team.

    Browns play their best when there are NO expectations and they can sneak up on people like last year.

  • kosartoslaughter said... (original post) Thanks Pros!I don't think the Browns are actually that horrible, after looking at our roster top to bottom today, but they are undisc...

    SD:

    Tossing balls to your receivers before your wedding ,isn't the same as immersing yourself fully in your craft ,and thats film and work study way beyond what Baker is exhibiting .

    Vets scout themselves film themselves and improve their play on that critigue ,Baker is far too often lost in space unable to adjust his eyes to knew looks , which is a tell tale sign of a lack of study and film prep and poor coaching he's receiving from Lindley that his mechanics have deteriorated so poorly so quickly .

    Fundamentally he's a mess ,dude is pressing and unable to relax and let the game come to him over ramped beyond reason and choking hard in the clutch ,because he's grippin so hard .

    Every pass is a fifty mile an hour fastball, and he's operating in such a heated up frantic frenzy he sees ghost and perceived pressure when it's not there ,while flat out missing easy throws he could have completed blindfolded last year .

    Baker is not ready to Be a Russell Wilson , Drew Brees Mechanic .....Yet .

    They must pull that pressure off him this bye week and virtually forget OBJ is on the team and run the offense which worked in Baltimore and all of last year , thru Chubb and offense will finally open up and we can take fans off suicide watch over these issues withBaker.

    >>>

    SoulDawg

  • kosartoslaughter said... (original post) Thanks Pros!I don't think the Browns are actually that horrible, after looking at our roster top to bottom today, but they are undisc...

    I agree with this and I suggest all the ledgers to read the "Browns are Fine" colum on the home page. Here's the link.

    https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/Cleveland-Browns-Baker-Mayfield-Freddie-Kitchens-Fine-Fine-Fine-137015807/

    Mueller makes the point that the average Super Bowl team averages about 9 wins per season in the three seasons immediately prior to going to the big game. There's a progression of going to bad to decent to good to great that almost all SB teams go through. The Browns have averaged less than three wins per year the last three seasons. They're still in the process of going from "decent" to good. It will take some time but things are on track.

  • PROSECUTOR said... (original post) I agree with this and I suggest all the ledgers to read the "Browns are Fine" colum on the home page. Here's the link.https://247...

    SD:

    Well there is that article, and then there is the Rams team which went from worst to first in one year .

    They won the games they were supposed too instead of shooting off their toes verse inferior teams as is too often the case with these Browns.

    Key difference is their QB made plays for the Rams ,whileBaker during this stretch is making hay for the other team .

    That's most important to the litany of reasons we're in a world of ***** , instead of legitimately

    challenging th league as a team playing up to the level of its roster talent.

    We get Bakers head screwed back on right , we're still in this thing .

    He continues to operate , like Deshon Kizer Fughgedaboudit.

    >>>>

    SoulDawg

  • PROSECUTOR said... (original post) I agree with this and I suggest all the ledgers to read the "Browns are Fine" colum on the home page... They're still in the proc...

    -- At the end of the article- under "Time"- he says Freddie will get better as HC with time. Probably. But that doesn't answer the essential question: Was he the right guy for Dorsey to name as HC and will his "better" turn out to be good enough?

    I'm not sure how he's defining the word "fine", but they won't get really fine in the NFL sense unless Dorsey is the right guy as GM who hired the right guy as HC. If all we want is to be kind of "fine" every once in awhile in a "flash in the pan" kind of way, then he's probably right. But I think we need to consider the innate ability of the power structure if we really want to assess "fineness".

  • I'll say this about the Freddie hire E. The players that were here when he was just the RB's coach might not have the proper respect for him now is HC. Kinda like in the military, when a sergeant is promoted to lieutenant they transfer him to a different squad b/c they don't want the men who knew as only a sergeant in his squad.
    I believe some of those players still view him as the RB coach.

  • TheDutchman said... (original post) Let's face it....the 2nd half of last season was a bit of a mirage. We all drank the kool-aid because we were desperate for something good ...

    Too early for that assessment.

    A young team with new defensive and offensive systems. They clearly have the talent because when they can play 6 consecutive plays efficiently they move on any team. Dorsey has worked wonders with the roster, but you can only do so much. This offseason he fixes that oline one way or another.

  • Gary Reents said... (original post) Too early for that assessment.A young team with new defensive and offensive systems. They clearly have the talent because when they can play 6 ...

    A chef can have all the right ingrediants for a great cake, but it still has to bake the sufficient amount of time. Pull it out too soon and it's a soggy mess.

    You can't microwave a cake. The Browns, as a cake, are still in the oven. And they need some Offensive Tackle icing.

  • Gameface64 said... (original post) A chef can have all the right ingrediants for a great cake, but it still has to bake the sufficient amount of time. Pull it out too soon and it&...

    SD:

    The right ingredients also have to be blended from the correct proportions .

    and you need put the pans in the middle so the sucka bakes together evenly long before you get to the icing .

    The Browns haven't mixed their run pass ratios cohesively starting with an absurd scheme

    that plays away from our strengths intent on highlighting the QB and receivers instead of focussing on dominating the line of scrimmage shredding the other teams defense and imposing our will in a manner which ultimately leads to winning the game .

    Defensively there is not the esprit de corp we enjoyed last year , where they set up our offense on short fields and each unit played complimentary football , while both played as a team .

    These guys not only don't play as a team , they interact like they don't even like each other .

    We're so devoid of leadership on either side of the ball , that we're the cake flour the ingredients and the oven with no spoon to stir it up and mix it all together.

    Somebody has to step up put themselves out there, and make some plays and lead the way then the rest of the arses will follow.

    Bunch of fckn sheep without a shepherd , hopefully they hit the head shop in Denver pulled their behinds off their shoulders and extricated their empty big mouthed noggins and took a real whiff of the sheet they left behind .

    The reality of grown men with poop in their drawers with a 2-5 record , no way you can add icing on that mess , until you clean up ,backup ,wise up and man up .

    Gonna find out in Denver , if it's on or if it's over .

    Time to beat the team in front of us, handle our business and find a way to win and come away with the DUBYA .

    Can't wipe their asses for them,, and even a puppy learns to go out if you push his nose in it long enough .

    Let the Dawgs out

    >>>>

    SoulDawg

  • I don't like the coaching for the Browns at the moment.

  • HuggiePacino said... (original post) I don't like the coaching for the Browns at the moment.

    SD:

    I don't like that this team has thrown away at least three more wins ,is mentally weak , full of themselves, situationally unaware and unprepared and not only play stupidly , they lack intensity fundamentals and toughness .

    They all need to stfu and play football ,from Dorsey to the water boy .

    This season is still salvageable but we can't want it for them, they have to want it for themselves.

    >>>>>

    SoulDawg

  • SoulDawg74 said... (original post) SD:I don't like that this team has thrown away at least three more wins ,is mentally weak , full of themselves, situationally unaware and u...

    The season is still salvageable but it has to start today with discipline and execution, especially on offense. They're going up against a very good defense and the key will be to eliminate penalties and turnovers. They're last in penalties and among the worst in turnovers. That has to stop immediately.

    Reportedly Baker has been demanding perfection in practice this week. We'll see if they can get through this game without every offensive player except Tretter and Bitonio committing one holding or false start penalty.

    So far we've gotten zero from our third receiver. Callaway has 33 yards in three games plus a disastrous bobble that turned a close game into a loss. Higgins has been non-existent with an injury since the opening drive of Week 1. We need one of those guys to start contributing.

    Njoku and Pharoah Brown are out so we're down to two TE's and we need them to step up. The TE position has been pretty much invisible this year except for Seals-Jones' big game against the Ravens.

    McCray against Von Miller in pass pro is a huge mismatch. The Browns can't leave him on an island against that guy or Baker is a dead duck.

    The Broncos have a weak offensive line, a QB starting his first pro game, and nothing special at the skill positions. They are 30th in 3rd down conversion percentage with Flacco. The Browns need to get 3-and-outs or at least limit the Broncos to one first down and keep getting the ball back to create multiple opportunities for the offense.

    The Broncos defense is very good, especially in the red zone, so we may need to kick multiple field goals. If the Browns win it will probably be something like 16-9.

    I expect their QB to play better than most expect, but with the Browns having one of the best pass rushing teams against one of the worst pass blocking lines I expect him to try and escape the pocket and scramble for first downs or find receivers off a broken play. The Browns need to be ready for him to run for it. He talked about his ability to do that so we've been warned.

    I'm sure the screen pass will be a big part of their game plan. Need to have somebody shadowing the RB every play. No more 60-yard screen passes.

  • SoulDawg74 said... (original post) SD:I don't like that this team has thrown away at least three more wins ,is mentally weak , full of themselves, situationally unaware and u...

    They seemed to get up and show up against my Ravens, I thought that win would turn everything around but they seemed to have regressed which to me does not make sense. Too much talent on that team to be where they are.